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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    Bragging about having a better approval rating than "virtually every other leader in Washington" is like bragging about having a better win-loss record than the Cleveland Browns.
    I truly don't understand why you don't like Trump. I figured you'd have a partisan fit, then come to, look at what he's doing, and change your mind. What he's accomplished so far sounds right up your alley and, honestly, I have to believe if he had that D after his name you'd be crazy about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by transporter View Post
    This is more factual info for those who don't' understand what factual data is (the folks on the "10 things to understand about" post).

    This is a compendium (look it up if you don't know what it means) of polling data:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ex_cid=rrpromo

    The two lines at the top of the page track the average of all polling data since Trump's inauguration. His approval rating was higher than his disapproval rating for about 2 weeks. Since the beginning of February, Trump has had a negative approval rating. For those who failed graduate level statistics, this means that more people disapprove than approve of Mr. Trump.

    There is about 20 percentage point difference between Mr. Trump's disapproval and approval rating (57% disapprove, 38% approve). Again for those who don't understand basic math, this means that the majority of Americans disapprove of Mr. Trump. This is not spin.

    As you scroll down the link provided above (a like none of you will likely bother to click on), you will see the next data point is all the individual polls. If you look at them, you will see that not one has Mr. Trump above 50% approval. Again, for those who don't understand math, that means the majority of Americans in every individual poll also disapprove of Mr. Trump. The last individual poll that had Mr. Trump above 50% was taken back in March.

    As you scroll down farther, Mr. Trump's approval rating is compared to every other president back to Kennedy. At this point in his term, Mr. Trump's ratings are far below every other President, except Ford. However, the comparison with Ford is about to go the other way as Ford's numbers shot up on day 297.

    So to sum up. Stating that the majority of Americans disapprove of Mr. Trump is not spin. Stating that a President with approval ratings this low is going to be a negative in next year's elections is not spin.
    Not sure why you'd bother to post this data here. Trump wasn't kidding when he said that he could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    I truly don't understand why you don't like Trump. I figured you'd have a partisan fit, then come to, look at what he's doing, and change your mind. What he's accomplished so far sounds right up your alley and, honestly, I have to believe if he had that D after his name you'd be crazy about him.
    Actually, he really hasn't done anything except ride an increasing wave that started under the last guy. Yes, the economy is doing good right now; however, it didn't magically start doing good when Trump was elected. To believe that just shows a lack of understanding of basic ECON1010. The economy was recovering and starting to grow long before Trump came in. Trump inherited a much better economy then that which was inherited by Obama in 2009. He blames every negative on someone else. Never accepts responsibility but always take credit. He throws people "under the bus". IE. On Saturday, he calls the intelligence community political hacks and that he believes Putin then a day later turns his words around. He does that a lot. He alienated so many people that he couldn't even get Obamacare repealed. Yes, the Congress passes legislation. I know that's the excuse but the POTUS is supposed to be a leader. I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan's legislative successes. I don't like that Trump is getting ready to convert about 300,000 legal immigrants into illegals come January 5th. I'm talking about tax payers, business owners, workers, homeowners, people who've been here for a long time. Basically because Trump seems to have it in for people who speak Spanish. I do like that he wants to build more ships for the Navy. I do like his tax reform proposal. The doubling of the standard deduction would make tax filing much easier for me. I do like Melania. I think she's a class act. I think he made a good supreme court appointment in Justice Gorsuch. I like that he approved the Keystone pipeline project. I like that he's going after sanctuary cities. My feelings toward Trump have nothing to do with what letter follows his name.
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    Wow, the koolaid is strong with that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    Actually, he really hasn't done anything except ride an increasing wave that started under the last guy.
    T, stop. When you start out with a false talking point, there's no sense in reading further. So Obama made all these great policies that did nothing for 8 years, and all of a sudden, upon the election of his nemesis, they magically took effect?

    You cannot possibly believe that.

    In fact events influence our stock market and economy, and they can do it rather rapidly. I know what my portfolio says, and I know what other people are saying - including my leftwing financial gal.

    Then there's this:

    He alienated so many people that he couldn't even get Obamacare repealed.
    So now you're saying that the Republican Congress that has been screaming about repeal/replace for 7 years and when they finally had a chance to actually do it and failed - that's Trump's fault? Are you serious?

    Basically because Trump seems to have it in for people who speak Spanish.
    That's absurd and you know it. And I know you know it.

    He blames every negative on someone else.
    A couple of things:

    When it's in fact someone else's fault, why should he blame himself? Why shouldn't he call them out publicly? People like me elected him for this very purpose: to call out the corruption and garbage that goes on in our government.

    Also, did you despise this in Obama as well? Because I don't recall you mentioning it, and as far as I'm aware Obama blamed his every failure on "the Republicans" and "George Bush". I only mention Obama to question your double-standard.

    I am genuinely interested in this phenomenon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    He blames every negative on someone else. Never accepts responsibility but always take credit. He throws people "under the bus".
    You're talking about Obama, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    Actually, he really hasn't done anything except ride an increasing wave that started under the last guy. Yes, the economy is doing good right now; however, it didn't magically start doing good when Trump was elected.
    Actually, in large part, it did. A lot of what goes into economic improvement is consumer confidence. Trump brought with him huge positive sentiments that he would lower taxes and reduce regulations on businesses. I can tell you personally when I feel my take-home pay will go up, I will spend accordingly. One thing I will do is increase my investments for retirement.

    I am absolutely certain our current economic improvements are on the wave of the Trump election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyOps View Post
    I am absolutely certain our current economic improvements are on the wave of the Trump election.
    And in case anyone needs a reminder, Psy was not a huge Trump fan, and in fact was one of his biggest critics on here. So if he sees it, it's there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    And in case anyone needs a reminder, Psy was not a huge Trump fan, and in fact was one of his biggest critics on here. So if he sees it, it's there.
    I really had to get myself to look past all of the childishness to see what Trump is actually doing. And I still struggle with it.
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    I think some of you would do well to understand lagging vs. leading indicators and then have an informed discussion about what Trump is and is not responsible for.

    About the only thing he can take credit for are surging markets since aggregate equity prices are largely based on hope and positive expectations. Equity indices are leading indicators. Which is all a good thing. There is hardly an employee out there who doesn’t benefit from surging equities.

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