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    Remember the 1930s?
    More ominously, numerous other regulations drafted in 1934, in the days of local telephone monopolies, could be applied to ISPs, such as limits on technology, price controls, and the like. Right now, the FCC’s “net neutrality” rules only are abstaining in this regard voluntarily, i.e., forbearance. But net neutrality rules would allow this regulatory overreach in principal.

    By way of reminder, old-fashioned taxicabs are common carriers, but Uber started as a more limited access system. The unknown Uber of the future internet cannot come into existence under the net neutrality regime.

    The old rules of common carriers typically involved a regulatory bargain. A limited number of cabs were permitted to operate—the limits vouchsafed by their pricey medallions—and in exchange, prices were set, and the providers were required to serve all comers on an equal basis. This limit on competition was more explicit in the case of expensive local networks with natural monopoly features, such as cable television, landline telephone, and the like.

    But these natural monopolies, in spite of their monopoly protections, were often left behind by technological change. Landline use is down today due to the rise of cheap, mobile phone technology. Widespread high-speed internet access has cut into the typical “necessity” of cable television. And, as discussed above, the sharing economy has undermined the traditional market power of regulated industries like cabs, hotels, and others.

    All of these disruptive technologies typically grew up not because of protective government regulation, but in spite of it. Indeed, and Uber is a perfect example, new services offered on a non-neutral basis often evolved to meet a need that was only partially and poorly met by a government regulated system.


    https://amgreatness.com/2017/11/27/a...et-neutrality/
    Weíre tempted to suggest a conspiracy here ó but itís just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply canít conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post



    for my part this has NOTHING to do with Trump ....

    but you go right on thinking reclassifying ISPs as Common Carriers like Telco is a GREAT Thing

    Okay? Show me the competition you people are talking about. The "market you're talking about?

    There is none. We're not talking about grocery stores here where one can shop around among the competition.

    As I said earlier, if Metrocast decides to censor which Website I can access, there are no other REAL options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    Okay? Show me the competition you people are talking about. The "market you're talking about?

    There is none. We're not talking about grocery stores here where one can shop around among the competition.

    As I said earlier, if Metrocast decides to censor which Website I can access, there are no other REAL options.
    Lack of competition is *caused* by government intervention into this market -- government creates monopolies. This can be fixed by government: deregulate, stop creating monopolies, and allow competition to flourish. The fix is NOT Net Neutrality, which is just more government mucking about in the markets.

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    When will people realize that the action of the FCC in 2015 was another example of extra-legislative power grab by Obama and his administration. After the SCOTUS slapped them on the wrist the first time they imposed "net neutrality" they did an administrative name change and imposed a solution to a problem that did not exist.
    ďIn times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary actĒ - Geo Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    As I said earlier, if Metrocast decides to censor which Website I can access, there are no other REAL options.
    Are YOU really that paranoid ?

    don't have a smart phone or access to a Hot Spot ?

    No Internet access at work ?

    you think NN is going to give you more choices, stop Google from filtering websites from search results ...

    what exactly are you expecting Metrocast to filter ?
    do they offer their own video streaming like YouTube or Netflix - do you expect them to throttle Netflix so you will watch more Cable TV.

    ok so Verizon was caught 'optimizing video' that throttled YouTube and Netflix - what happened
    PUBLIC Scorn forced them to change ....


    Everything You Need To Know About Why Net Neutrality Is A Terrible Idea
    Weíre tempted to suggest a conspiracy here ó but itís just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply canít conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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    If I may ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Starman View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...trality-rules/ Net Neutrality is nothing more than a scheme by which companies can pass along part of their cost of doing business to the consumer (Want to watch lots of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive things? Fork over the cash.) It was sold as "freedom" for broadband consumers, but it was nothing of the sort. It is a giveaway to the monoliths that operate in that arena. It is a government answer to a government created problem: monopolies. What should be done is to cut that out and allow for open markets and create competition. The owner of, say, and ISP who has invested and built their own infrastructure ought to be able to treat any packets that cross their network in any fashion they see fit, including blocking it or charging for high-bandwidth applications. With more competition, it would open up the door for consumers to have a single router that would work with multiple ISPs, for example.

    In any case, a positive step forward. But more deregulation is needed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    Are YOU really that paranoid ?
    No.
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    don't have a smart phone or access to a Hot Spot ?
    Yes but not a realistic nor affordable alternative the broad band I pay Metrocast for. Itís like comparing Weis Market to Wawa for grocery options.
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    No Internet access at work ?
    Really? That canít even be in the equation.
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    you think NN is going to give you more choices, stop Google from filtering websites from search results
    If Google is altering searches, I can always use other search engines. Very bad comparison. NN isnít about content providers. Itís about broadband providers.
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    How you could be an advocate for the government handing over the reins to allow private corporations to decide what the most important websites and information are is baffling.

    especially for a group that always claims to stand for freedom. Tis is nothing but a cash grab by big corporations and to see people cheering it is beyond insane.

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    Weíre tempted to suggest a conspiracy here ó but itís just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply canít conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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