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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnightrider View Post
    Illegal is the only way any of it would get thrown out. Improper won’t meet the exclusionary rules, particular considering the lack of expectation of privacy and the fact the the LEO in question did not act improperly.
    Perhaps, but it sure doesn't make Mueller look like that bastion of impartiality and integrity that the MSM has been insisting he is. Those juvenile Trump-hating rants from his investigator don't help, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    Perhaps, but it sure doesn't make Mueller look like that bastion of impartiality and integrity that the MSM has been insisting he is. Those juvenile Trump-hating rants from his investigator don't help, either.
    You mean the one he immediately fired?

    So sending a letter requesting information and receiving it is now lacking integrity and impartiallity?

    Is that what you think when a cop pulls someone over and asks if they have been drinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapidus View Post
    You mean the one he immediately fired?

    So sending a letter requesting information and receiving it is now lacking integrity and impartiallity?

    Is that what you think when a cop pulls someone over and asks if they have been drinking?
    Whew! You've come up with a lot of bad or irrelevant analogies before but that one is a real stinker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapidus View Post
    You mean the one he immediately fired?

    So sending a letter requesting information and receiving it is now lacking integrity and impartiallity?

    Is that what you think when a cop pulls someone over and asks if they have been drinking?
    Exactly, when doing so is contrary to the law. The request for access is to go to the President for his approval, not NARA. Mueller circumvented the requirements of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken King View Post
    Exactly, when doing so is contrary to the law. The request for access is to go to the President for his approval, not NARA. Mueller circumvented the requirements of the law.
    Hardly.

    Good luck proving that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapidus View Post
    Hardly.

    Good luck proving that.
    Prove what, that by law NARA cannot release Presidential records for the sitting President unless the President approves of the release? That is the law. The only other way Mueller could have obtained them legally would be for him to obtain a subpoena, also the law.

    You need to become familiar with 44 USC Chapter 22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken King View Post
    Exactly, when doing so is contrary to the law. The request for access is to go to the President for his approval, not NARA. Mueller circumvented the requirements of the law.
    Actually, it would've been NARA's duty to get approval from the President. Mueller requests the information from NARA (since they possess the info). Then NARA seeks whatever approvals that are needed before they release the information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken King View Post
    Prove what, that by law NARA cannot release Presidential records for the sitting President unless the President approves of the release? That is the law. The only other way Mueller could have obtained them legally would be for him to obtain a subpoena, also the law.

    You need to become familiar with 44 USC Chapter 22.
    see awpitt's reply
    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    Actually, it would've been NARA's duty to get approval from the President. Mueller requests the information from NARA (since they possess the info). Then NARA seeks whatever approvals that are needed before they release the information.
    exactly, mueller followed the proper protocol. It isn't his fault if the people who responded to his request didnt follow their requirements.
    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    Perhaps, but it sure doesn't make Mueller look like that bastion of impartiality and integrity that the MSM has been insisting he is. Those juvenile Trump-hating rants from his investigator don't help, either.
    Mueller looks just as impartial as he did before. THe request was made through proper channels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    Actually, it would've been NARA's duty to get approval from the President. Mueller requests the information from NARA (since they possess the info). Then NARA seeks whatever approvals that are needed before they release the information.
    Except it is you that is wrong. While NARA has "physical custody" of the records (as a courtesy) the President maintains "legal custody" and any request for release must go through him. 44 USC 2203(f) states -
    (f) During a President’s term of office, the Archivist may maintain and preserve Presidential records on behalf of the President, including records in digital or electronic form. The President shall remain exclusively responsible for custody, control, and access to such Presidential records. The Archivist may not disclose any such records, except under direction of the President, until the conclusion of a President’s term of office, if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, or such other period provided for under section 2204 of this title.

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