Another sentenced in Russia Probe

Sapidus

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The Dutch son-in-law of one of Russia's richest men was sentenced on Tuesday to 30 days in prison and fined $20,000 for lying to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigators about contacts with an official in President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign.

Alex van der Zwaan, a lawyer who once worked closely with Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, was also sentenced to two months of supervised release and said he was sorry for what he did.



https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...-chairman-sentenced-in-russia-probe/23401943/
 

limblips

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PREMO Member
In pleading guilty, he admitted he lied to FBI agents about previous communications with Rick Gates, a Manafort protege who held a senior position in the Trump campaign, and that he also withheld and deleted emails.

This is rich! Sent to jail for lying and withholding and deleting emails. His lawyer should have claimed precedence using the hillary defense.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
You still don’t see how Mueller has been working methodically up the chain of command?

Is there a time limit on investigations?

Yeah sure we all see what he is doing. He is trying to make it look like he is doing something.
He hasn't found anything on what was alleged to be the purpose of this fishing expedition.
Pretty sure the time limit on these investigations will expire i 7 more years.
Until then Mueller is enjoying spending the taxpayers money on BS.

What is the total cost to the taxpayers to get this Dutch man to be on 2 months of supervised probation.

He didn't really have a trial---he copped a plea. Meaning it was too expensive for him to hire attorneys and fight the charges, and since the sentence is BS , why not.
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
The Dutch son-in-law of one of Russia's richest men was sentenced on Tuesday to 30 days in prison and fined $20,000 for lying to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigators about contacts with an official in President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign.

Alex van der Zwaan, a lawyer who once worked closely with Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, was also sentenced to two months of supervised release and said he was sorry for what he did.



https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...-chairman-sentenced-in-russia-probe/23401943/

Wow........I’m impressed.........
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
Yeah sure we all see what he is doing. He is trying to make it look like he is doing something.
He hasn't found anything on what was alleged to be the purpose of this fishing expedition.
Pretty sure the time limit on these investigations will expire i 7 more years.
Until then Mueller is enjoying spending the taxpayers money on BS.

What is the total cost to the taxpayers to get this Dutch man to be on 2 months of supervised probation.

He didn't really have a trial---he copped a plea. Meaning it was too expensive for him to hire attorneys and fight the charges, and since the sentence is BS , why not.

If you knew anything you would know his light sentence was in exchange for information Mueller can use to prosecute a bigger fish
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
If you knew anything you would know his light sentence was in exchange for information Mueller can use to prosecute a bigger fish

You have been fishing in that pond for almost a year.......
Reminds me of an old Irish joke.
A distinguished gentleman walks by a pub and sees an old disheveled guy fishing in a pothole in the road....
He says sir...come in and I’ll buy you a drink.
The other man comes in and gets bought a drink
The distinguished gentleman asks him how many fish he caught....
The man says today, you’re the sixth....
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Byron York: On the Trump-Russia investigation and the rule of law


Democratic Rep. Jared Huffman of California introduced the One President at a Time Act of 2016 which would specifically subject presidents-elect to the Logan Act. Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, then the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump for a possible violation of the Logan Act.

All of that was just political posturing — not a threat to the rule of law. But unbeknownst to the public, the Obama Justice Department was using the Logan Act as a pretext to take action against the incoming administration.

When intelligence intercepts picked up Michael Flynn, the new national security adviser, talking to the Russian ambassador in late December, the Obama Justice Department saw that as a possible violation of the Logan Act. (It wasn't; many foreign policy experts saw nothing wrong with that.)

Nevertheless, four days into the Trump administration, Sally Yates, the Obama holdover leading the Justice Department, sent agents to the White House to question Flynn, ostensibly on the suspicion that he might have violated the Logan Act. (She also said she was worried that Flynn might be subject to blackmail, which seemed at least as dubious as a Logan Act violation.)

It was that interview that ultimately resulted in Flynn pleading guilty to one count of lying to the FBI.

The bottom line is, the Flynn saga, which is at the heart of the Trump-Russia investigation, appears to have hinged on a trumped-up suspicion that a new administration had broken a centuries-old law that has never been prosecuted before — when in fact, the new administration's real transgression was to make clear it would throw away many of its predecessor's policies.

The second incident that suggests the Trump investigation threatens the rule of law is the FBI's use of the Trump dossier — a Clinton campaign opposition research product — as a part of its counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
If you knew anything you would know his light sentence was in exchange for information Mueller can use to prosecute a bigger fish

Probably not.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/politics/alex-van-der-zwaan-sentencing/index.html

"Unlike other defendants, van der Zwaan did not enter into an ongoing cooperation agreement with the special counsel's office."

A CNN reporter said that this may just be "an example" - they are letting him go easy because his wife is six months pregnant and waiting in London.
He'll pay his fine - in all likelihood spend 30 days in a minimum security facility - and go home. For good..

 

PsyOps

Pixelated
You still don’t see how Mueller has been working methodically up the chain of command?

You just keep wishing this to be true.

WaPo: Mueller told Trump's lawyers the President isn't a criminal target in Russia probe

Special counsel Robert Mueller has told President Donald Trump's lawyers that the President is not currently being considered a criminal target of the Russia probe, The Washington Post reported Tuesday, citing three people familiar with the discussions.

The special counsel's team is compiling a report on Trump's actions as President and any potential obstruction of justice -- which Mueller has also told Trump's lawyers, two people with knowledge of the conversations told the Post.
 

Kyle

ULTRA-F###ING-MAGA!
PREMO Member
Sappy is off line, crying his eyes out now.

No... He's buying more string for his conspiracy board.

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PsyOps

Pixelated
Sappy is off line, crying his eyes out now.

You know, Sap's desire for Trump to be guilty of something criminal really isn't too different than the birthers' desire to believe Obama isn't a natural-born American. It gets to the point where it just gets painfully embarrassing. This Mueller 'investigation' has been going on for 9 months and he's still not even looking at Trump as a target of his investigation. Well, I thought that was the core reason to stand up the SC.
 

Midnightrider

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You know, Sap's desire for Trump to be guilty of something criminal really isn't too different than the birthers' desire to believe Obama isn't a natural-born American. It gets to the point where it just gets painfully embarrassing. This Mueller 'investigation' has been going on for 9 months and he's still not even looking at Trump as a target of his investigation. Well, I thought that was the core reason to stand up the SC.

If you read Muellers appointment letter it says investigate ‘any links an or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; ‘

That line is as close as it comes to saying the target is trump himself.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
If you read Muellers appointment letter it says investigate ‘any links an or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; ‘

That line is as close as it comes to saying the target is trump himself.

Ok. :shrug:
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
Ok. :shrug:
The point being that bring charges against trump was not at the core of appointing a SC.


If that’s where the investigation led, so be it, but mueller was charged with investigating connections between members of trumps campaign and Russia. He found that.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
The letter is here.

The entire letter reads:

By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian govemmenfs efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James 8. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).​
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the Special Counsel.​

It would seem the limit is what was in Comey's testimony of 20 MARCH.


There were certainly links already known, connections already known. The investigation is into what was alleged by Comey.

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