Obama Tapped My Wires - Was An Understatement

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INGSOC
PREMO Member
This demand follows revelations that an FBI operation codenamed Crossfire Hurricane ran “at least one government informant” against the Trump campaign in counterintelligence fashion. Andrew McCarthy writes:

The FBI, lacking the incriminating evidence needed to justify opening a criminal investigation of the Trump campaign, [in contrast to the Clinton campaign, he adds elsewhere] decided to open a counterintelligence investigation. With the blessing of the Obama White House, they took the powers that enable our government to spy on foreign adversaries and used them to spy on Americans — Americans who just happened to be their political adversaries.

This implication was quickly denied. "Former Director of Intelligence James Clapper said Thursday night on CNN that it was 'a good thing' there was an FBI informant spying on the Trump campaign."

Clapper admitted the FBI “may have had someone who was talking to them in the campaign,” referring to President Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. He explained away the possibility of an FBI informant spying on the campaign as the bureau was trying to find out “what the Russians were doing to try to substantiate themselves in the campaign or influence or leverage it.”

Obama’s Director of National Intelligence then went on to say, “So, if there was someone that was observing that sort of thing, that’s a good thing.”

The invaluable timeline of the investigations compiled by Sharyl Attkisson seems to confirm what Lee Smith of Tablet Magazine has already suggested: that the roots of domestic spying predated the Trump candidacy. He notes that "Obama officials vastly expand[ed] their searches through NSA database for Americans and the content of their communications. In 2013, there were 9,600 searches involving 195 Americans. But in 2016, there are 30,355 searches of 5,288 Americans."


https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/the-fight-moves-up-a-notch/
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
This demand follows revelations that an FBI operation codenamed Crossfire Hurricane ran “at least one government informant” against the Trump campaign in counterintelligence fashion. Andrew McCarthy writes:

The FBI, lacking the incriminating evidence needed to justify opening a criminal investigation of the Trump campaign, [in contrast to the Clinton campaign, he adds elsewhere] decided to open a counterintelligence investigation. With the blessing of the Obama White House, they took the powers that enable our government to spy on foreign adversaries and used them to spy on Americans — Americans who just happened to be their political adversaries.

This implication was quickly denied. "Former Director of Intelligence James Clapper said Thursday night on CNN that it was 'a good thing' there was an FBI informant spying on the Trump campaign."

Clapper admitted the FBI “may have had someone who was talking to them in the campaign,” referring to President Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. He explained away the possibility of an FBI informant spying on the campaign as the bureau was trying to find out “what the Russians were doing to try to substantiate themselves in the campaign or influence or leverage it.”

Obama’s Director of National Intelligence then went on to say, “So, if there was someone that was observing that sort of thing, that’s a good thing.”

The invaluable timeline of the investigations compiled by Sharyl Attkisson seems to confirm what Lee Smith of Tablet Magazine has already suggested: that the roots of domestic spying predated the Trump candidacy. He notes that "Obama officials vastly expand[ed] their searches through NSA database for Americans and the content of their communications. In 2013, there were 9,600 searches involving 195 Americans. But in 2016, there are 30,355 searches of 5,288 Americans."


https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/the-fight-moves-up-a-notch/

Does anyone think it is proper for a sitting President to place spies in the campaign being run by the party the president is opposed to?
Does anyone think it is proper for an ex President to open an organization to oppose the legally elected president.?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Does anyone think it is proper for a sitting President to place spies in the campaign being run by the party the president is opposed to?

Absolutely yes. If there is a very good reason to believe crimes have been committed, it is entirely appropriate for a sitting president to spy on the campaign of anyone, regardless of party.

The problem is, there has never been any evidence presented to the public that suggests there was very good reason to believe a crime had been committed.

Does anyone think it is proper for an ex President to open an organization to oppose the legally elected president.?

Absolutely yes. He is a citizen today, regardless of what he was previously. What he cannot do legally and should not do regardless is conspire with government officials or foreign governments to weaken the president. It is abhorrent to historical norms of good conduct by ex-presidents, and completely counter to socially-accepted proper conduct, but that does not make it wrong. It is equally (if not more) proper to just-as-publicly oppose the organization, and work to defeat that organization from damaging the nation.
 

Kyle

ULTRA-F###ING-MAGA!
PREMO Member
It’s been a long time since DC had a gallows.

Heres to hoping the the court sends the first Democrat real soon. :cheers:
 
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