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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
    This all goes back to all the upfront BS that is now required of these kind of projects that wasn't before. Even the most simplistic jobs require environmental impact studies which require review and comment. Then work needs to get blessed before even being largely designed, let alone bid. You have a bunch of people who know little to nothing about the work - or need for it - weighing in on whether or not it should happen. God forbid someone challenges the build. Then go to permitting where EVERY jurisdiction has a their own set of permits with new ones being required all the time. Add NPDES requirements, Clean Water Act requirements. Review by ACOE and MDE/EPA, etc., etc. .............. all for something as simple as replacing a bridge where it previously stood.

    There is SOOOOO much money spent above common sense approaches (with some simple checks and balances) that not only substantially inflates costs but also inflates schedules. For the most part, building the actual work is the easy part.

    The GGB was built in 2-3 years because it could be. They likely didn't have moratoriums on the work during "fish f&cking season" or restrictions tidal marsh access. They probably didn't have requirements about anchoring barges into the water over a set period of time or where they could placed into the water.

    Even simple jobs are boggled down with red tape, political leverage and the "feelings" of those whose input shouldn't matter.
    You might want to ask the folks in downtown Ellicott City about environmental impact studies that were never done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenhawk View Post
    Let's be fair, please. The people trying to get FDR Blvd completed have been stymied mostly by NIMBYs, not their own incompetence. If you study the actual history of the project, land acquisition has been the primary holdup. Much as it might speed some projects along from time to time, I'm quite happy that the county cannot simply appropriate all the land they want without due process ("eminent domain"). So yes, it's frustrating, but I think FDR has proceeded reasonably well all things considered.

    Now if they'd just turn their attention to pushing Pegg Road all the way through to Rt 249, and get rid of the bottleneck at Great Mills...


    Concur, they have been steady working this for a long time with a huge amount of players, quite a lot of them who never wanted it to happen. And I agree that Pegg Roads extension is a pretty big deal. But they need to lead that target with the state to make sure that Rt5 is ready for it. And that the intersection with Indian Bridge works properly.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
    and the "feelings" of those whose input shouldn't matter.

    Ohboy, now you've done it........ :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BernieP View Post
    Well I had the misfortune of turning right at the light by CVS on GMR the other day because my buddy said it was a shortcut to Pegg Rd.
    I don't know who owns the roads back there (State, County or Private), but they look like they are out of a war zone.
    Is that neighborhood so bad that the roads are left in such poor shape?
    I cut through that neighborhood for the first time in my 20 years working at Pax, and i was also surprised how bad some of that road (Midway Drive?) was.
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    What is the excuse for the debachle at Airport Road? All the drains in front of CBIP and Outback are still blocked and the corner of Airport and 235 has had ZERO progress in months!
    I am not a PREMO member and therefore, am not afforded the protections of such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Z View Post
    I cut through that neighborhood for the first time in my 20 years working at Pax, and i was also surprised how bad some of that road (Midway Drive?) was.
    Yeah, I lived there back in the 1997/8 timeframe and it wanst bad at all. But the county needed to replace a lot of the sewer/storm drain lines that were laid down when that area was built in I think the lat 40s, early 50s. And whomever they hired to do that seems to have just screwed it away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    You might want to ask the folks in downtown Ellicott City about environmental impact studies that were never done.
    That whole area is a failure of proper storm water management ...... not necessary an EIS review. And if I lived there, I'd be beyond pissed because the County essentially did nothing but restore the area back to it's pre-flood condition ..... without correcting the underlying failures. It was a band aid response that they were (likely) banking wouldn't have them exposed for many more years (until another storm of such intensity came through). They certainly didn't expect it to happen a mere two-years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    You might want to ask the folks in downtown Ellicott City about environmental impact studies that were never done.
    Also want to point out the ways things work. That initial storm was two years ago. Prior to that, I believe the last similar event was in the 90's. As I said, following the storm two years ago, scope of work in the area was essentially limited to clean up and restoration back to original conditions. It was a band aid task.

    Following that work - the gov't issued a design for a multiple bay/channel culvert system to divert storm water around main street. Prices were solicited and if I had to guess, would say fell somewhere in the $6-8m range. Not sure what the Engineer's estimate was. However, I believe it was deemed to expensive and was not pursued. Obviously it was never built.

    Given the cost of the 2016 cleanup and some of the estimates for this latest storm ....... which do you think was the least costly option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
    Also want to point out the ways things work. That initial storm was two years ago. Prior to that, I believe the last similar event was in the 90's. As I said, following the storm two years ago, scope of work in the area was essentially limited to clean up and restoration back to original conditions. It was a band aid task.

    Following that work - the gov't issued a design for a multiple bay/channel culvert system to divert storm water around main street. Prices were solicited and if I had to guess, would say fell somewhere in the $6-8m range. Not sure what the Engineer's estimate was. However, I believe it was deemed to expensive and was not pursued. Obviously it was never built.

    Given the cost of the 2016 cleanup and some of the estimates for this latest storm ....... which do you think was the least costly option?
    He’s probably referring to the all the development uphill from Downtown EC. Shopping centers and housing developments and the accompanying impermeable surfaces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kom526 View Post
    He’s probably referring to the all the development uphill from Downtown EC. Shopping centers and housing developments and the accompanying impermeable surfaces.
    Yes. Exactly.
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    The barrels were moved opening up the second left turn lane on 235 NB at rt 4 today.
    Maybe someone got the message.

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