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    About those Canadian milk tariffs

    As the trade minister, Chrystia Freeland, has pointed out, trade data flatly contradicts the claim that Canadian supply management is ravaging US dairyland – either because it unfairly restricts imports or because it dumps a subsidized surplus in US markets. In 2016, Canada imported dairy products from the US worth five times more than the small amount it exported there. “I would call that a pretty good deal,” she told the House of Commons.

    Canadian farmers point out that despite the tariffs that protect them, imports make up 10% of the country’s dairy consumption. By contrast, the US restricts dairy imports to 3% of domestic consumption. “That just screams hypocrisy to me,” Muirhead said. “I don’t understand how they can get away with these positions.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/co...a-us-trade-war

    Trump is a buffoon...

    BTW...while Trump spent his time attacking our allies before and after the G7 meeting....while he showed up late and left early...while he did everything he could to torpedo the event...the Chinese were holding a highly productive trade meeting of their own.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1J6047

    So again the US, thanks to our childish and incompetent President, shrink from our role as a world leader...and China is laughing all the way to the bank.

    Oh...one more point...can anybody explain why not standing for the national anthem is an issue of such importance that this President must insert himself and belittle those players...while the same President (in full carnival barker mentality) wants to pardon a boxer who refused to enter military service under the draft? This ignores, of course, the stupidity displayed by the President because of Ali's conviction being overturned...the point is Trump rails against those who won't stand for the anthem but wants to reward someone who wouldn't stand a post???

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    Oh...one more point...can anybody explain why not standing for the national anthem is an issue of such importance that this President must insert himself and belittle those players...while the same President (in full carnival barker mentality) wants to pardon a boxer who refused to enter military service under the draft?
    Do you actually plan to respond?
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Ok, maybe I'm not quite getting it ....

    REGIONALLY, some of the dairy market affects the U.S. - otherwise, you wouldn't find Chuck Schumer actually *agreeing* with Trump --

    Per the same article --

    Representing a state suffering especially hard from farm failures and suicides, the US Senate minority leader, Chuck Schumer, recently echoed his Republican president in blaming Canada for the debacle. “Canada, when it comes to dairy, acts like China when it comes to trade,” Schumer told hard-pressed farmers in upstate New York. “They’re unfair. They put up barriers. They treat us bad.”

    So - let me understand this - in Canada, production is managed carefully by the government to stop overproduction, so that milk prices remain high.
    So the Canadian dairy farmers like that. Apparently they have enough - or mostly enough - dairy production to satisfy the consumer demand. Since prices are high, yep, demand is maintained a little low. To keep them afloat, they run a huge tariff on American dairy - otherwise, MUCH cheaper American dairy would knock over their apple cart. They also restrict dairy - for the same reason - because since they can't manage the production of foreign dairy.

    Basically - the Canadian government pays the farmers a subsidy.

    I found this link more useful --

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle34802291/
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Ok, maybe I'm not quite getting it ....

    So - let me understand this - in Canada, production is managed carefully by the government to stop overproduction, so that milk prices remain high.
    So the Canadian dairy farmers like that. Apparently they have enough - or mostly enough - dairy production to satisfy the consumer demand. Since prices are high, yep, demand is maintained a little low. To keep them afloat, they run a huge tariff on American dairy - otherwise, MUCH cheaper American dairy would knock over their apple cart. They also restrict dairy - for the same reason - because since they can't manage the production of foreign dairy.

    Basically - the Canadian government pays the farmers a subsidy.

    Before Trump left Canada, he told reporters what he had proposed — the full elimination of tariffs and subsidies and any barriers to free and open trade.

    "You go tariff free, you go barrier free, you go subsidy free," he said. "I did suggest it and people I guess were going to go back to the drawing board."

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/31672...-7-joseph-curl
    We’re tempted to suggest a conspiracy here — but it’s just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply can’t conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

    “Moral precepts are constant through the ages and not obedient to circumstances.”

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    From Tranny's post.
    In 2016, Canada imported dairy products from the US worth five times more than the small amount it exported there. “
    And they charged a 300% tariff on it. Money in their coffers. Of course they are happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Ok, maybe I'm not quite getting it ....

    REGIONALLY, some of the dairy market affects the U.S. - otherwise, you wouldn't find Chuck Schumer actually *agreeing* with Trump --

    Per the same article --

    Representing a state suffering especially hard from farm failures and suicides, the US Senate minority leader, Chuck Schumer, recently echoed his Republican president in blaming Canada for the debacle. “Canada, when it comes to dairy, acts like China when it comes to trade,” Schumer told hard-pressed farmers in upstate New York. “They’re unfair. They put up barriers. They treat us bad.”

    So - let me understand this - in Canada, production is managed carefully by the government to stop overproduction, so that milk prices remain high.
    So the Canadian dairy farmers like that. Apparently they have enough - or mostly enough - dairy production to satisfy the consumer demand. Since prices are high, yep, demand is maintained a little low. To keep them afloat, they run a huge tariff on American dairy - otherwise, MUCH cheaper American dairy would knock over their apple cart. They also restrict dairy - for the same reason - because since they can't manage the production of foreign dairy.

    Basically - the Canadian government pays the farmers a subsidy.

    I found this link more useful --

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle34802291/
    So does the US, where do you think the term govt cheese came from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin99 View Post
    So does the US, where do you think the term govt cheese came from?
    My family sold off everything dairy because we chose not to keep losing money. Wish I (we) would have known the gov't. was handing out money to help.
    Last edited by nutz; 06-11-2018 at 07:35 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin99 View Post
    So does the US, where do you think the term govt cheese came from?

    So let me understand this -- really -- in Canada, they restrict the *supply* of milk, cheese, eggs and so forth - and
    establish standard prices for them high enough to keep farmers happy. In addition, to keep that, they severely restrict the import of dairy.
    In the United States, we have more or less a straight subsidy to dairy farms, allowing them to produce just as much as possible - but inevitably they're
    going to produce too much, and Uncle Sam promises to buy it off (and basically, give it away). However, Uncle Same doesn't always buy it ALL,
    so tons of food just flat out gets wasted - at taxpayer expense.

    That's the nutshell version - I can't find a simple description of what actually goes to the dairy farmer - only that he benefits from programs like
    loans, SNAP and indirect subsidies to corn and soy producers, and so forth. (I can't find anything that says that the government pays them directly).

    Since OUR farmers are subsidized by the government to basically OVER produce - and Canada's government subsidizes them to UNDER produce -
    we really don't need tariffs - but they do.

    Ok - I get it -

    But - that's not our fault. As far as I can tell, free trade is free trade. You want the right to sell X in OUR country, we want to sell X in yours;
    tariffs are either gone or you don't trade X. I mean, think of it this way - you want to sell stuff in MY store, I want to sell stuff in YOUR store -
    the fact that you manage YOUR inventory and production means you need to ramp up MY price isn't MY fault. We either have a deal or we don't.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    So let me understand this -- really -- in Canada, they restrict the *supply* of milk, cheese, eggs and so forth - and
    establish standard prices for them high enough to keep farmers happy. In addition, to keep that, they severely restrict the import of dairy.
    In the United States, we have more or less a straight subsidy to dairy farms, allowing them to produce just as much as possible - but inevitably they're
    going to produce too much, and Uncle Sam promises to buy it off (and basically, give it away). However, Uncle Same doesn't always buy it ALL,
    so tons of food just flat out gets wasted - at taxpayer expense.

    That's the nutshell version - I can't find a simple description of what actually goes to the dairy farmer - only that he benefits from programs like
    loans, SNAP and indirect subsidies to corn and soy producers, and so forth. (I can't find anything that says that the government pays them directly).

    Since OUR farmers are subsidized by the government to basically OVER produce - and Canada's government subsidizes them to UNDER produce -
    we really don't need tariffs - but they do.

    Ok - I get it -

    But - that's not our fault. As far as I can tell, free trade is free trade. You want the right to sell X in OUR country, we want to sell X in yours;
    tariffs are either gone or you don't trade X. I mean, think of it this way - you want to sell stuff in MY store, I want to sell stuff in YOUR store -
    the fact that you manage YOUR inventory and production means you need to ramp up MY price isn't MY fault. We either have a deal or we don't.
    Now, add the same contortions for livestock and crops and you see why the FARM BILL is a multi-year appropriation that nobody really wants to tackle when its term has expired.
    Saying we are a country of "Immigrants" is an insult to our ancestors.

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