Best Bill Clinton quote EVER!!!

[vraiblonde]

"I think the norms have REALLY changed in terms of what you can do to somebody against their will..."



https://ntknetwork.com/bill-clinton...do-to-someone-against-their-will-has-changed/

 

[SamSpade]

Pardon my saying this - but in DEFENSE of Clinton -

He's saying it was normal in the old days to do things like leer at a woman.
It didn't mean it was good or bad, just normal. And it was. Normal. Watch old movies.
It was typical. There was treatment of women back then that was - normal. Typical.
Just watch "Mad Men".

We've all witnessed extremes of what is acceptable nowadays and what is not.

 

[vraiblonde]

Pardon my saying this - but in DEFENSE of Clinton -

He's saying it was normal in the old days to do things like leer at a woman.
It didn't mean it was good or bad, just normal. And it was. Normal. Watch old movies.
It was typical. There was treatment of women back then that was - normal. Typical.
Just watch "Mad Men".

We've all witnessed extremes of what is acceptable nowadays and what is not.

In the clip he's talking about his day - back in the mid-90s. And it most certainly was not acceptable to "do things" to women against their will.

 

[SamSpade]

In the clip he's talking about his day - back in the mid-90s. And it most certainly was not acceptable to "do things" to women against their will.

That's my point - at no point does he say "acceptable" - and acceptable and normal are rarely the same thing.
At one point, it was NORMAL in the South to have separate bathrooms for whites and blacks.

He specifically uses getting in someone's space, making someone miserable or physically assaulting people - and I had MALE superior do that to me -
in the 90's - where he would publicly humiliate me about my manliness or sexual prowess- and it was intimidating -

And it was - sadly - normal. And he did it to others. And others did worse in the 80's.

He says he thinks that's a good thing that norms have changed.

 

[RoseRed]

That's my point - at no point does he say "acceptable" - and acceptable and normal are rarely the same thing.
At one point, it was NORMAL in the South to have separate bathrooms for whites and blacks.

He specifically uses getting in someone's space, making someone miserable or physically assaulting people - and I had MALE superior do that to me -
in the 90's - where he would publicly humiliate me about my manliness or sexual prowess- and it was intimidating -

And it was - sadly - normal. And he did it to others. And others did worse in the 80's.

He says he thinks that's a good thing that norms have changed.

Did you file a complaint with HR?

 

[SamSpade]

Did you file a complaint with HR?

No. That was 30 years ago. Back then, in the federal government it would take at least two years - or more - to have anything done against him.
And it was my first real job. I just found ways to get even.

By the early 2000's - he'd been booted for grabbing a girl's butt. By this time, his antics were well-known.
Worse, his wife had left him and his only daughter wanted nothing to do with him.

I wanted to feel sorry for him - but I couldn't. He'd dug his own grave.
If someone told me he'd committed suicide, I wouldn't have been surprised.

 

[RoseRed]

No. That was 30 years ago. Back then, in the federal government it would take at least two years - or more - to have anything done against him.
And it was my first real job. I just found ways to get even.

By the early 2000's - he'd been booted for grabbing a girl's butt. By this time, his antics were well-known.
Worse, his wife had left him and his only daughter wanted nothing to do with him.

I wanted to feel sorry for him - but I couldn't. He'd dug his own grave.
If someone told me he'd committed suicide, I wouldn't have been surprised.

I filed a complaint with my company when a GS was giving me crap in the late 90's. And I'm not the type to do that, but he was relentless. He was later fired from his job and had a mental breakdown. He was escorted off base, wife and kid left and I believe he had a gun standoff with the local police. Maybe it was the same person?

 

[SamSpade]

I filed a complaint with my company when a GS was giving me crap in the late 90's. And I'm not the type to do that, but he was relentless. He was later fired from his job and had a mental breakdown. He was escorted off base, wife and kid left and I believe he had a gun standoff with the local police. Maybe it was the same person?

Wasn't on base - DC.
Out curiosity, I tried to look him up online - he'd be close to 70.
Can't find him. Maybe he's gone?

 

[RoseRed]

Wasn't on base - DC.
Out curiosity, I tried to look him up online - he'd be close to 70.
Can't find him. Maybe he's gone?

Who knows. I never bothered to look him up.

 

[vraiblonde]

No. That was 30 years ago. Back then, in the federal government it would take at least two years - or more - to have anything done against him.

30 years ago my then husband had a female co-worker who would wear skimpy outfits to work and flirt inappropriately with the guys - flashing them and such. She got pissed about something and brought a sexual harassment complaint against one of them, and it was taken very seriously. Even though everyone who worked with her backed the guy, even the other women, they all still had to attend a class on workplace decorum.

Roughly that same time period, one of my girlfriends started seeing her immediate supervisor and they had to keep it on the way down low because there was a company policy (fairly standard) of not being romantically or sexually involved with your subordinates.

This was in the mid- to late-80s and women's rights were firmly in place, and it was clearly defined that they were not to be taken sexual advantage of. To the point that it was ridiculous and guys would get in the chit when it wasn't even their fault. Mad Men took place in the 50s and early 60s, not the 80s and 90s.