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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    Normally EMCSOFT would be conducted before you get to go flight test.
    Really?
    I wonder who determines if an EMC SoFT is required and who performs it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoWhat View Post
    Really?
    I wonder who determines if an EMC SoFT is required and who performs it?
    In the AF? Damnifiknow. Really, those guys don't even speak HERO, and we at Pax do a lot of EMC stuff for them like they do environmental stuff for us. But given the oddball nature of this thing they were doing, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoWhat View Post
    Really?
    I wonder who determines if an EMC SoFT is required and who performs it?
    The airworthiness officer decides if one is required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b23hqb View Post
    I'm well aware they are always adding to aircraft and those additions need to be tested. I'm wondering what was being tested - a new engine? new aerodynamics? guidance/computer systems? Hopefully they can fix the issue fast.
    Many times testing is just flying the aircraft in a slightly different manner or determining suitability for a different mission than originally intended. Testing is often quite mundane sounding and people not involved in it would think "they didn't already know that"...
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    Here its the e3 guy that decides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    Hell, if someone brings me an A/F cleared item, guess what? Navys still gonna test the crap out of it. So I certainly don't blame the A/F for not accepting Belize's airworthiness processes.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    In the AF? Damnifiknow. Really, those guys don't even speak HERO, and we at Pax do a lot of EMC stuff for them like they do environmental stuff for us. But given the oddball nature of this thing they were doing, who knows.
    Always understood the difference in HERO and EMC between AF and Navy was due to operating environment. The flight deck of an aircraft carrier is a much higher and stronger RF environment than a 10,000 acre airfield. The hardening of support equipment for the environment was always an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limblips View Post
    Always understood the difference in HERO and EMC between AF and Navy was due to operating environment. The flight deck of an aircraft carrier is a much higher and stronger RF environment than a 10,000 acre airfield. The hardening of support equipment for the environment was always an issue.
    Exaactly. When you can just move you emitter a few thousand feet away, you have no incentive to harden your stuff or subject it to rigorous test. Just say "When building the airfield, no emitters greater than X alllowed within 2,000 feet of aircraft areas". Easy Peasy. I've heard "No problem, the AF has been using it for years" a few times over the years. always preceding a ton of HERO issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    Exaactly. When you can just move you emitter a few thousand feet away, you have no incentive to harden your stuff or subject it to rigorous test. Just say "When building the airfield, no emitters greater than X alllowed within 2,000 feet of aircraft areas". Easy Peasy. I've heard "No problem, the AF has been using it for years" a few times over the years. always preceding a ton of HERO issues.
    Same for strength of things, some people that even work for the Navy don't seem to understand how planes land on a carrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow View Post
    Same for strength of things, some people that even work for the Navy don't seem to understand how planes land on a carrier.
    I understood it logically, then did some testing out at TC-7, I was the tech going in under the intake to inspect the countermeasures between both cats and traps so I got to get a visceral appreciation. As a P-3 guy who had done some time up close and personal with operating helos, got me a whole new bar for "Danger close" crouching under that E/Fs intake....... I really think we miss a lot by not making a greater effort to get the folks in the offices out around the reality of the things they make decisions about.
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