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    LMFAO..you silly sap...
    n 1999 Armstrong was charged with fraud by the SEC and the CFTC. Armstrong was imprisoned for eleven years on contempt of court and fraud charges
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post

    Simple economics made the USSR fall.
    Chicken - egg.

    Reagan brought about the end of the Cold War by dropping oil production around the world, ramping up military expenses, and countering the Soviets in communist uprising around the world.

    Gorbachev's ideas of perestroika and glasnost wiped out the pointless policy of "detente".

    I have never read a history of the Cold War that DOESN'T say we pushed the Soviet Union into dealing with their economy in a way where they realized
    "dammit, we can't do this anymore - let's try something else". Without the willful intentional effort to bring them to their knees - they could have gone
    on like North Korea - endlessly impoverished nations limping along, putting all their effort into the cold war effort.

    The Eastern Bloc had tried revolts before - maybe you don't remember the Hungarian Revolution or the Prague Spring - but pretty much it was Tiananmen Square - with Russians.
    When the Russians couldn't do it anymore, it emboldened the population.

    I don't just credit Reagan - John Paul II and the Poles and Lech Walesa and Solidarity were inspiration.

    I'm sorry but it is just simply unlikely the economics alone collapsed simultaneously across a dozen nations, culminating in revolutions.
    It happened because the Russians couldn't back up their satellites.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    I have never read a history of the Cold War that DOESN'T say we pushed the Soviet Union into dealing with their economy in a way where they realized
    "dammit, we can't do this anymore - let's try something else". Without the willful intentional effort to bring them to their knees - they could have gone
    on like North Korea - endlessly impoverished nations limping along, putting all their effort into the cold war effort.
    .
    Chris's lame and discredited "source" aside, that is correct. The only valid arguments I've seen go to the matter of degree...how much this or that factor mattered more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Chris's lame and discredited "source" aside, that is correct. The only valid arguments I've seen go to the matter of degree...how much this or that factor mattered more.
    History has a way of changing when the liberals and America haters write it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Chris's lame and discredited "source" aside, that is correct. The only valid arguments I've seen go to the matter of degree...how much this or that factor mattered more.
    I wouldn't dismiss Martin Armstrong altogether - the truth is, he's right, the economic model of the Soviet Union was always a shambles.
    But until it faced direct confrontation, we could have limped along for decades with them facing us across the ocean.

    The argument he's making is, the economic fails - and it does. But it's not the right argument.
    It's like saying you got knocked out by a fist - when you were knocked out by a person swinging a fist.

    The economics failed, because it was forced into it. Russians got by on oil - and Reagan drove down the price of oil
    Russians got by on gold - and Reagan drove down the price of gold. On every front, the idea was to take away
    all their money and scare the living sh*t out of them with our military. They blinked. They had to.

    Economically - they could not match us and still survive.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    LMFAO..you silly sap...
    Those convictions 15 years before this piece was written has what, exactly, to do with the evidence put forth in the article?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post
    Those convictions 15 years before this piece was written has what, exactly, to do with the evidence put forth in the article?
    He's trying to make the argument that the man is likely a quack. And I am not seeing that.

    On the other hand, it makes no difference.
    We won the Cold War because we fought the Cold War.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Economically - they could not match us and still survive.
    And if Brezhnev hadn't squandered USSR's oil profits on an arms race with the US, who knows. The US didn't even want the Soviet Union to break up but they knew that economically, the Soviets couldn't keep up.
    https://history.state.gov/milestones...e-soviet-union

    Here's a white paper by the CIA on it.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...s/20080229.pdf

    History.com makes no mention of Reagan contributing to the fall of the Soviet Union
    https://www.history.com/news/why-did...iet-union-fall

    The Cold War Museum likens the fall to their economic collapse.
    http://www.coldwar.org/articles/90s/...viet_union.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    He's trying to make the argument that the man is likely a quack. And I am not seeing that.

    On the other hand, it makes no difference.
    We won the Cold War because we fought the Cold War.
    Gilligan isn't trying to make an argument, he never does. He's trying to simply be "right" in any way that he can. If attacking the source, but not the material, makes him feel like a winner, good for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post
    These uprisings started 2 years after Reagan told Gorbachev to "tear down this wall".
    Which is why Reagan told him to tear down that wall and worked with him to make it feasible.

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