A Good Thing Happens in Gary, Indiana

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INGSOC
PREMO Member
Oh No :cds: that cannot be, Transporter has been reporting the world is coming to an end
 

black dog

Free America
Gary really needs it, for sure. That's one tough town.. It seems so many manufacturing plants out here are expanding with new additions or buildings along with adding employee's.
 

black dog

Free America
Wouldn't it be lovely if Baltimore could be restored to the working city it once was?

It would be awesome just to have the manufacturing that was still there in the early eighty's.
Sparrows Point with Bethlehem Steel and Shipyard, GM, Paint manufacturing, MD Nut & Bolt...A town of factory's we had across this land. It's coming back, at least in the Heartland.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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It would be awesome just to have the manufacturing that was still there in the early eighty's.
Sparrows Point with Bethlehem Steel and Shipyard, GM, Paint manufacturing, MD Nut & Bolt...A town of factory's we had across this land. It's coming back, at least in the Heartland.

See, that's the problem: when you take away manufacturing, there's nowhere for blue collar peeps to work. They still have to feed their families, so they take to illegal activity and get involved with the local talent.

I can't help but think that was by design. Our masters don't like it when we don't get indoctrinated at their colleges and can still earn an honest living.
 

black dog

Free America
One of the big obstacles in small town America is transportation to employment.
The smaller towns say with 5,000 and less have no public transportation to the communitys with the factory's in the larger 40,000 pop and larger towns and city limits. The 15 -25 miles to some is just insurmountable to some to overcome.
One would think to hit Craigslist or a garage sale and buy a ####ing 30 dollar bicycle and peddle until you can buy a hoopty. Our town has a 500+ acre factory pad site with utilities ready to go, a plant that could put a few hundred to work would change this little town so much.
It's now going on 15 years that they have been trying to get companys to build here, it doesn't look good, company's would rather reopen or build plants in towns where manufacturing already exists. Auto parts for new manufacturing, ethanol, electric wire and plastic injection plants are king around me.
 

black dog

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It'll never come back. We are not a manufacturing economy. We are a service economy.

Oh I certainly don't believe that we will ever return to the manufacturing powerhouse we once were, but do believe, manufacturing is on a huge upswing out here.
I see new faces at the grocery store and around town that have moved here from elsewhere everytime I go out for new and better employment.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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It'll never come back. We are not a manufacturing economy. We are a service economy.

We could certainly be a manufacturing economy, at least significantly more than we are now.

You sound like Barack Obama - "that ship has sailed." Then along comes Trump and, oops, no it hasn't. Not everyone is cut out for college and white collar jobs. We need employment for those who aren't college material, for whatever reason.
 

Chris0nllyn

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We could certainly be a manufacturing economy, at least significantly more than we are now.

You sound like Barack Obama - "that ship has sailed." Then along comes Trump and, oops, no it hasn't. Not everyone is cut out for college and white collar jobs. We need employment for those who aren't college material, for whatever reason.

Jobs exist that don't equate to manufacturing. There's a reason Fortune 500 companies are not manufacturing.

We are not, and will not, be a manufacturing economy.
 

black dog

Free America
Jobs exist that don't equate to manufacturing. There's a reason Fortune 500 companies are not manufacturing.

We are not, and will not, be a manufacturing economy.

That's funny that Microsoft, Apple, GM, Ford, Exxon Mobile and ATT are what, in the top 10 or 11 and they all manufacture or own company's that do manufacture.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Jobs exist that don't equate to manufacturing. There's a reason Fortune 500 companies are not manufacturing.

We are not, and will not, be a manufacturing economy.

The problem with that is 1 service job = 1 service job where 1 manufacturing = 1 manufacturing + at least 5 service jobs.

To be prosperous we either need to manufacture and export goods or raw materials such as timber, coal, grain etc. There are only so many services we can provide to each other while buying our stuff from outside.
 

Hijinx

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The problem with that is 1 service job = 1 service job where 1 manufacturing = 1 manufacturing + at least 5 service jobs.

To be prosperous we either need to manufacture and export goods or raw materials such as timber, coal, grain etc. There are only so many services we can provide to each other while buying our stuff from outside.

Service jobs are fading out also.
The stuff people are buying these days isn't meant to be fixed when they go bad.
Mechanics used to be in every neighborhood. Today if you haven't got machines worth thousands of dollars and programs from car manufacturers, you cannot fix them.
The shade tree mechanic is dying.
Everything has a printed circuit in it.
 

Chris0nllyn

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Okay, Barry.

No, this is a basic concept in every economics class anyone has ever taken. This is basic macroeconomics that the President (and apparently many others) misunderstand.

That's funny that Microsoft, Apple, GM, Ford, Exxon Mobile and ATT are what, in the top 10 or 11 and they all manufacture or own company's that do manufacture.

There has been a 40 year decline in manufacturing jobs. going from 22% of American workers in that field to just 8% now. Even with that drop off of employment, manufacturing output of the US has increased because technology has enabled manufacturers to output more products while hiring less people. Only 8 states exists where manufacturing is the bread and butter, so while you may see Indiana being one way, that has no bearing on the rest of the country.

None of this is a bad thing either. Better production methods means more products which means cheaper goods. Cars, food, clothes, electronics, etc. all benefit from better manufacturing procedures and all have dropped in price over the years.

So while some of you folks read what I'm saying as some sort of dig against this country, it's quite the contrary. 6 million+ manufacturing jobs lost over the last 20 years is more attributed to production methods and automation and not America's lack of manufacturing know-how.

The problem with that is 1 service job = 1 service job where 1 manufacturing = 1 manufacturing + at least 5 service jobs.

To be prosperous we either need to manufacture and export goods or raw materials such as timber, coal, grain etc. There are only so many services we can provide to each other while buying our stuff from outside.

That's patently untrue. We've been prosperous with a service economy and as a part of a global market, we don't need to export or manufacture. We provide services to not only ourselves, but other countries.

WHY, because chris onllyn said so??? wakiadh

No, because it's 100% true and this information is easily found by anyone.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/employment-by-major-industry-sector.htm

Service jobs are fading out also.
The stuff people are buying these days isn't meant to be fixed when they go bad.
Mechanics used to be in every neighborhood. Today if you haven't got machines worth thousands of dollars and programs from car manufacturers, you cannot fix them.
The shade tree mechanic is dying.
Everything has a printed circuit in it.

You may lie, but the numbers don't. You may have this idea that "services = low skill mechanic, waitress, etc." but it simply means a different skillset needed to compete. Service industry workers are increasingly high-skilled workers needed to compete in technically-evolving industries. The shadetree mechanic is dying because he is unwilling to keep up with the changes in cars. My dad has been a successful mechanic for over 30 years and has seen (and worked on) everything from carbureted cars to all-electric vehicles. From adjusting carb jets to using an engine analyzer to diagnose problems with the car's onboard computer systems. Bitch and moan about "machines and programs" but you've just contradicted yourself. You're admitting that some level of skill and experience is needed to work on a car. That's because the technological advances in automobiles has come so far in such a short amount of time, and that's a good thing. Cars are safer and more advanced, but there's a tradeoff.


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black dog

Free America
No, this is a basic concept in every economics class anyone has ever taken. This is basic macroeconomics that the President (and apparently many others) misunderstand.



There has been a 40 year decline in manufacturing jobs. going from 22% of American workers in that field to just 8% now. Even with that drop off of employment, manufacturing output of the US has increased because technology has enabled manufacturers to output more products while hiring less people. Only 8 states exists where manufacturing is the bread and butter, so while you may see Indiana being one way, that has no bearing on the rest of the country.

None of this is a bad thing either. Better production methods means more products which means cheaper goods. Cars, food, clothes, electronics, etc. all benefit from better manufacturing procedures and all have dropped in price over the years.

So while some of you folks read what I'm saying as some sort of dig against this country, it's quite the contrary. 6 million+ manufacturing jobs lost over the last 20 years is more attributed to production methods and automation and not America's lack of manufacturing know-how.



That's patently untrue. We've been prosperous with a service economy and as a part of a global market, we don't need to export or manufacture. We provide services to not only ourselves, but other countries.



No, because it's 100% true and this information is easily found by anyone.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/employment-by-major-industry-sector.htm



You may lie, but the numbers don't. You may have this idea that "services = low skill mechanic, waitress, etc." but it simply means a different skillset needed to compete. Service industry workers are increasingly high-skilled workers needed to compete in technically-evolving industries. The shadetree mechanic is dying because he is unwilling to keep up with the changes in cars. My dad has been a successful mechanic for over 30 years and has seen (and worked on) everything from carbureted cars to all-electric vehicles. From adjusting carb jets to using an engine analyzer to diagnose problems with the car's onboard computer systems. Bitch and moan about "machines and programs" but you've just contradicted yourself. You're admitting that some level of skill and experience is needed to work on a car. That's because the technological advances in automobiles has come so far in such a short amount of time, and that's a good thing. Cars are safer and more advanced, but there's a tradeoff.


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Numbers sumbers,,,, You can believe what you read... I know what I see when I travel for business around Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky and Tennessee. Sign, Sign, Everywhere a Sign. And you know what they say?
We are hirings... Manufacturing Business is Good.

A few weeks ago Progressive Rail ( Caterpillar Locomotive ) and Indiana Bridge both just hired a few dozen welders each. Sh!t is ramping up out here.
 
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