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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    ? They actually are paid "like everyone else", as compared to all the other professionals working in DC.

    That aside...the math of cutting pay is a joke if you are serious about reducing the Federal budget. I'm all for cuts in the size of - or even elimination of - various agencies and departments, eliminating thousands of jobs. But the gorilla in the budget room is still entitlement spending.
    You and I both know that MOST of those Congress critters are not earning their keep. They are spending 50% or more of their "work" time glad handing and getting ready for the next opportunity to keep their job instead of doing their job. Any group that gets to vote their own pay raises AND have a gold card to violate stock and trade laws are going to abuse it too.

    I also agree that entitlement spending needs to be looked at and dealt with
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleGround View Post
    I also agree that entitlement spending needs to be looked at and dealt with
    And it will NEVER happen.
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  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleGround View Post
    You and I both know that MOST of those Congress critters are not earning their keep. They are spending 50% or more of their "work" time glad handing and getting ready for the next opportunity to keep their job instead of doing their job. Any group that gets to vote their own pay raises AND have a gold card to violate stock and trade laws are going to abuse it too.
    While that is all sadly true, we sure as heck aren't going to get anyone worth a spit by reducing the pay and benefits. There are numerous examples where honest Congress critters that have to maintain a home and family back in their districts have quite a bit of difficulty financially; Washington DC is an insanely expensive place to live.
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  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    While that is all sadly true, we sure as heck aren't going to get anyone worth a spit by reducing the pay and benefits. There are numerous examples where honest Congress critters that have to maintain a home and family back in their districts have quite a bit of difficulty financially; Washington DC is an insanely expensive place to live.
    There are quite literally millions of people that live in the DC area and make no where near the salary of those in Congress. How do they survive?

    These electees love to say how they are in it for the public service and strictly to serve the people but, lets see how many say that if they were to build and design a "Congressional Living Barracks" where every member would stay while in session or in town. Minimal comforts and given what is needed only to do their jobs. I wonder how many of them would not seek re-election?

    It's good enough for service members that serve their country! Why is it not good enough for members of Congress?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleGround View Post
    There are quite literally millions of people that live in the DC area and make no where near the salary of those in Congress. How do they survive?

    These electees love to say how they are in it for the public service and strictly to serve the people but, lets see how many say that if they were to build and design a "Congressional Living Barracks" where every member would stay while in session or in town. Minimal comforts and given what is needed only to do their jobs. I wonder how many of them would not seek re-election?

    It's good enough for service members that serve their country! Why is it not good enough for members of Congress?
    $174,000 a year to live in DC and maintain a home and family back in their district?... Like I said, go ahead and pay 'em 60 grand a year and see how many honest people run for those offices.

    On the other hand, the founders wanted only educated men of means to serve in those elected offices, without compensation. So if we want a bunch of only wealthy people in those offices, we'd be returning to our roots. ;-)

    Back in the day, Congress Critters often lived together in largish groups in any of the many boarding houses that existed. Lincoln did..and made many later-valuable political connections with his roomies.
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  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    $174,000 a year to live in DC and maintain a home and family back in their district?... Like I said, go ahead and pay 'em 60 grand a year and see how many honest people run for those offices.

    On the other hand, the founders wanted only educated men of means to serve in those elected offices, without compensation. So if we want a bunch of only wealthy people in those offices, we'd be returning to our roots. ;-)

    Back in the day, Congress Critters often lived together in largish groups in any of the many boarding houses that existed. Lincoln did..and made many later-valuable political connections with his roomies.
    C'mon now! You and I both know that they are not ONLY making $174K per year. It might say that on paper but... it is most assuredly not their only income/benefit of the office.

    If they need to cut some fat from the budget and expect citizens to respect the decisions, they need to start with themselves. Lead by example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleGround View Post

    If they need to cut some fat from the budget and expect citizens to respect the decisions, they need to start with themselves. Lead by example.
    I’m against political stunts, and that’s all that would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    $174,000 a year to live in DC and maintain a home and family back in their district? ....
    there was an article a while back, a couple of Congress Critters were sleeping in their Offices, and some Democrat filed a complaint with the Ethics Committee ....

    [oh its worse the CBC]


    ‘It’s almost nasty’: Dems seek crackdown on sleeping in the Capitol


    The practice of lawmakers bunking in their offices is unsanitary — and an abuse of taxpayer funds, according to members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

    A bloc of House Democrats is calling for an ethics investigation into the widespread practice of lawmakers sleeping in their offices, arguing it's an abuse of taxpayer funds.

    “There’s something unsanitary about bringing people to your office who are talking about public policy where you spent the night, and that’s unhealthy, unsanitary — and some people would say it’s almost nasty,” said Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, the top Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee.

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    The practice reaches the highest levels of Congress. Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) are among the dozens of members who sleep in their offices overnight. Estimates of how many do it range from 40-plus to more than 100. And while the list skews heavily Republican and male, some women and Democrats do it, too.

    The Democratic critics argue that the behavior is unethical and beneath the dignity of the office. They also say it is unfair to the hundreds of members who choose to live outside the Capitol paying Washington’s high living costs.

    “The House office buildings are ‘OFFICE’ buildings,” the letter continues. “[E]ach Member’s office within the building should be used to serve the people of the Member’s district, not as a personal residence. The House office buildings are not apartment complexes, homes or any other kind of residence.”
    We’re tempted to suggest a conspiracy here — but it’s just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply can’t conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

    “Moral precepts are constant through the ages and not obedient to circumstances.”

  9. #59
    Kinda puts Manchin's boat in perspective huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stgislander View Post
    Kinda puts Manchin's boat in perspective huh?
    Yup...it does.
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