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    Commentary: Trump withdrawal from Russia nuclear pact plays into Putinís hands

    Commentary: Trump withdrawal from Russia nuclear pact plays into Putinís hands

    Trumpís Oct. 20 announcement that Washington would withdraw from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) with Russia, a landmark 1987 agreement signed by Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev to remove nuclear weapons from Europe, eliminates whatever curbs may be left on the development and deployment of a whole new generation of lethal and more readily deployable nuclear arms. Gone will be any restraints on Russian President Vladimir Putin from modernizing and updating his nuclear arsenal, thereby reviving the nuclear arms race at a time when a new round of nuclear forces in North Korea and Iran threaten the world and new missile technologies are proliferating.

    Trumpís ill-conceived and poorly thought-out action plays directly into Putinís hands. As much as the Russian leader may already be flouting the principles and provisions of that treaty, he can now do so with impunity and none of the consequences of being labeled the transgressor.

    Fortunately, since this was a treaty ratified by a two-thirds vote of the Senate on May 27, 1988, it cannot be formally ended without a similar two-thirds vote, which seems most improbable in todayís divided political environment. Still, Trump can, in theory, begin violating the provisions of the treaty without any Senate action, which Ė if Russia keeps its threats to match tit-for-tat Ė will have the equivalent impact of tearing up the document. And the costs of a new nuclear arms race could be astronomical. The nonpartisan Arms Control Association has estimated that updates to the U.S. nuclear arsenal would cost U.S. taxpayers upwards of $1.2 trillion over the next 30 years.
    Trump...the great negotiator...once again, has no plan of action other than to attempt to tear up old agreements. He has no ideas about what to do instead. He has no thoughts, he hasn't negotiated anything new...he hasn't made any attempt to enforce the existing agreement. He "negotiates" like a spoiled child.

    Still wondering what this buffoon of a President talked to Putin about in private in Helsinki.

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    I decided to go ahead and respond to this one, because I happen to know a little about the INF treaty.
    It was a good idea at the time - basically, we both agreed, no ground based cruise missiles.
    Reagan and Gorbachev made a big deal that they destroyed thousands of these.

    Except Russia uses them. Often. And brags about it. They're developing better ones.
    Recently, bragged about being able to launch NUCLEAR ones from the ground.
    So we'd be keeping a treaty that they're not even trying to keep,
    and our European allies are not surprisingly saying anything.

    Worse - should we break it, it frees us to face ANOTHER threat - China.

    Lastly - it's not going to happen for six months - Russia has that long to reconsider.

    Here's a good source on it - and it's coming from a LEFT-leaning source -

    https://www.vox.com/2018/10/22/18008...e-arms-control
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    Quote Originally Posted by transporter View Post
    Still wondering what this buffoon of a President talked to Putin about in private in Helsinki.
    Bet you do. Hope it keeps you up nights..
    "I've got to start eating at home more" - J. Dahmer

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    T rump’s ill-conceived and poorly thought-out action plays directly into Putin’s hands. As much as the Russian leader may already be flouting the principles and provisions of that treaty, he can now do so with impunity and none of the consequences of being labeled the transgressor.
    Doesn't he do this with impunity now?
    What are the consequences of being labeled the transgressor.?

    Does Mueller attack them with his lawyers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by transporter View Post
    Commentary: Trump withdrawal from Russia nuclear pact plays into Putinís hands



    Trump...the great negotiator...once again, has no plan of action other than to attempt to tear up old agreements. He has no ideas about what to do instead. He has no thoughts, he hasn't negotiated anything new...he hasn't made any attempt to enforce the existing agreement. He "negotiates" like a spoiled child.

    Still wondering what this buffoon of a President talked to Putin about in private in Helsinki.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Bet you do. Hope it keeps you up nights..
    Trump: Vlad, I'm telling you, I can make Tranny's head spin around like that girl in "The Exorcist."

    Putin: I would pay good money to see that!
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    Commentary. Not facts just commentary. Not worth reading. Since tranny posted it I know what is says.
    Being a left-handed conservative is tough. When somebody calls me a lefty I want to punch them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by transporter View Post

    Trump ... the great negotiator .. once again, has no plan of action other than to attempt to tear up old agreements.
    Fantasy, Supposition, Innuendo and Unfounded OPINION

    nothing to negotiate sugar tits ... Russia has been Violating INF for decades, while the US did NOTHING

    Trump's Withdrawal from the INF Treaty Formalized What Was Already True

    The treaty was already dead, and Moscow cannot afford new weapons systems. Now with the INF treaty officially buried, Washington can turn the screws on Beijing.

    From a military standpoint, the INF Treaty was a dead letter right from the start. For example, it covered only land-based missiles. So even under the INF Treaty , both the United States and the Soviet Union (later Russia) could position intermediate-range, nuclear-armed ships and submarines right off each other’s coasts. And the treaty doesn’t prohibit missiles with ranges greater than 5500 kilometers. (3418 miles), which of course can hit targets within that range if required.

    The treaty also doesn’t prohibit drones, drone-launched missiles, air-launched missiles, or sea-launched missiles. It doesn’t prohibit America’s North Atlantic Treaty Organization or Pacific allies from deploying their own intermediate-range missiles. And if Russia is ever able to attract willing allies, it doesn’t bind them. Perhaps most importantly, it doesn’t stop China from developing land-based intermediate-range missiles that can strike both Russia on land and the United States in the Pacific.
    Anyone or Anything that does not conform to YOUR World View is Either Ignorant, Uneducated or Selfish .....

    Quote Originally Posted by transporter View Post
    Every post you make is against anyone or any group that doesn't conform to your propagandist viewpoints.
    Weíre tempted to suggest a conspiracy here ó but itís just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply canít conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

    ďMoral precepts are constant through the ages and not obedient to circumstances.Ē

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