Cops In NO Confiscating Legally Owned Guns!

MMDad

Lem Putt
Bruzilla said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/n...&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

"To reduce the risk of violent confrontation, the police began confiscating firearms on Thursday, even those legally owned."

That's just great! First you have well-armed thugs running about looting, and now the cops are disarming the people so they can't protect themselves. Can the joke that is the leadership of New Orleans get any more pathetic!

I firmly support the right to legally own guns, but this is martial law. They shouldn't even be in town with their guns, legally owned or not.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
MMDad said:
I firmly support the right to legally own guns, but this is martial law. They shouldn't even be in town with their guns, legally owned or not.
And where in the Constitution of the Unites States does it say that martial law supersedes the Constitutional rights of the citizens? It doesn't! More government running a muck.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
This is what was happening.
Makeshift militia patrols Algiers neighborhood
Armed to the teeth, but they haven't fired a shot
By Susan Langenhennig
West Bank bureau

Just after dusk on Tuesday night, with the rumble of helicopters and
airplanes still overhead, Gareth Stubbs took his spot in a rocking chair on
the balcony of an Algiers Point house, a shotgun, bottle of bug spray and a
can of Pringles at his feet.

It was night No. 9 of his vigil, the balcony turned into a makeshift watch
tower, with five borrowed shotguns, a pistol, a flare gun, an old AK-47 and
loads of ammunition strategically placed next to the blankets and pillows
where Stubbs, Vinnie Pervel and Gregg Harris have slept every night since
Hurricane Katrina slammed into Southeast Louisiana.

In the bedroom off the balcony, its lace curtains blowing through the open
windows, Pervel's 74-year-old mother pulled her rosary from her pocket, a
shotgun resting near the antique cherry wood bed and the .38-caliber pistol
her son gave her nearby. "Oh dear, what would Father John think," Jennie
Pervel laughed as she fingered the beads.

Vinnie Pervel and Harris, who own the 1871 Victorian house on Pelican
Street, rigged a car battery to two floodlights and aimed them into the
deserted road below. With the floodlights off, the home's gas lanterns
formed golden hallows on the porch, the only illumination other than the
periodic sweep of searchlights from the military helicopters buzzing
overhead.

It's been a terrifying nine days for the four, scrambling for food, water
and gasoline for their generator and an arsenal of weapons they feared they
would need if complete lawlessness broke out in the historic neighborhood of
renovated 19th century homes. The neighborhood having survived the storm
without flood damage, Pervel and Harris, both former presidents of the
Algiers Point Association, worried that looters and others seeking high
ground would invade the community.

Yet they have not had to fire a shot.

And that's a good thing for them. They were not sure if any of the borrowed
weapons even worked.

But their fears were based on actual experiences. The day after the
hurricane, Pervel was carjacked as he tried to check on his other properties
in the neighborhood. Two guys clubbed him on the head with a sledgehammer,
grabbed his keys and stole his van, which he had filled with hurricane
supplies, a full tank of fuel and his credit cards.

The next afternoon, as Pervel and his mother, Harris and Stubbs stood on
their porch, a gunfight between armed neighbors and "looters" erupted on the
corner of Pelican and Valette streets, half a block away. The neighbors,
whom Pervel would not identify, shot two of the men. "We screamed to Mrs.
P., 'Hit the deck,' and she did," Harris said.

"We just couldn't comprehend it, a gun battle in front of your house," said
Stubbs, a native of Wales, who lives across the street from Pervel and
Harris but has stayed since the storm with them at their "Fort Pelican."
"You would walk outside, and your knees were wobbly and your lips would go
dry."

After the violence, the men decided they needed protection. Other residents
who had stayed during the storm were armed and taking turns checking on
neighbors, some of them elderly, who remained in their houses. It was
decided that everyone would keep an eye on his block, sharing essential
supplies. Pervel, Harris and Stubbs joined them, keeping watch on Pelican
and nearby streets.

"There's about 20 or 30 guys in addition to us. We know all of them and
where they are," Harris said. "People armed themselves so quickly, rallying
together. I think it's why the neighborhood survived."

But Pervel, Harris and Stubbs had a problem. They were without weapons other
than a 40-year-old shotgun with no shells. Pervel, who had stayed in contact
with many evacuated neighbors through the NOLA.com Web site and by his
still-working telephone, got permission from residents to retrieve their
guns and supplies from nearby houses.

"I never thought I'd be going into my neighbor's house and taking their
guns. We wrote down what gun came from what house so we can return them when
they get back," he said.

One neighbor used his dog, T-Bone, as a lookout, chaining him at night to a
fire hydrant on a corner. The dog barked if anyone approached, Stubbs said.

The first few nights after the hurricane, Stubbs said they heard gunfire
popping all around and saw people walking with flashlights through the
streets. A tree had fallen at their corner, spilling a recycling bin full of
cans. At the sound of a can rustling, the balcony watch group would flip the
switch to the car battery, flooding the street in light, blinding whoever
was below.

"We angled the lights so they wouldn't see us on the balcony," said Stubbs,
rocking in the chair, smoking a cigarette.

With the area dry and mostly evacuated, they saw only one New Orleans police
officer in the first four days after the storm.

"We kept hearing on the radio, 'The military is coming, the military is
coming, troops on the ground,' and we kept thinking, 'Where are they?'"
Stubbs said. "We really felt alone."

During the day, Pervel's phone rang constantly, with residents calling from
Texas, Mississippi, Florida, asking him to check on their homes, feed their
pets. The men also made daily visits to deliver food and water to elderly
neighbors. "I asked this one 84-year-old lady if she'd eaten, and she told
me all she had was a can of Vienna sausages," Harris said. "I wanted to cry
when I heard that."

By Tuesday, they'd checked on human beings as well scores of cats and dogs,
a parrot, pet rats, two mice and a guinea pig.

"There are several guys in the neighborhood. They had this little task
force. They knew everyone who stayed and where we were," said a resident who
would only give her first name, Betty. "If it hadn't been to all those guys,
making a statement to the looters, I don't know what would have happened.

"Our great fear was fire. If one started, it would have spread so quickly
throughout the neighborhood," she said. On Tuesday, she made rounds through
the neighborhood, feeding cats and dogs left stranded on the streets.

By Sunday night, tension in the neighborhood had started to release, Harris
and Stubbs said, as more and more military vehicles were spotted patrolling
the streets. "We really all breathed for the first time when we saw an
armored personnel carrier come through," Harris said.

On Tuesday night, two Humvees crept down the road, flashing their lights at
the balcony as Pervel lay down on his blanket, removed his glasses and
rubbed his eyes. With the military on patrol, maybe the balcony watch group
could finally get some sleep.
 

PJay

Well-Known Member
On Fox News last night they showed a little old lady with a gun telling the cops she wanted them out of her home and so they grabbed her took her gun away and two cops dragged her out of her home. I couldn't believe it.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
So now the city and state "law enforcement" organizations are confiscating legal weapons and removing the people by force from their homes even if they are not flooded and have no damage. Shades of the Jewish ghettos in Nazi Germany.

Guess what. The property is now free to be looted by the "law enforcement" people. Think it won't happen? Bet you dollars to donuts it will. I don't know what the Louisiana law is regarding abandoned property, but that may not be a pretty picture either. Million dollar properties gone because they were "abandoned"? Don't know but it would not be surprising.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Homesick said:
On Fox News last night they showed a little old lady with a gun telling the cops she wanted them out of her home and so they grabbed her took her gun away and two cops dragged her out of her home. I couldn't believe it.

Here we go, folks. Effing fascists - they can't do that. NOW Bush needs to do something because this is crap. I understand the disease factor and how this is supposedly "for their own good", but this is America and the cops can't just come in, confiscate your guns and drag you out of your house.

2A, they showed cops looting on the news the other day. The cameraman actually filmed the cops taking stuff from a Wal-Mart and the reporter kept following this one cop around going, "What are you doing? Why are you taking those shoes? Why did you take that blouse?" The cop was obviously busted and trying to walk away and the reporter just kept following her and hounding her. It was funny, but sad because THESE are the people who are sworn to protect.
 
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Bruzilla

Guest
Homesick said:
On Fox News last night they showed a little old lady with a gun telling the cops she wanted them out of her home and so they grabbed her took her gun away and two cops dragged her out of her home. I couldn't believe it.

I saw that piece, and what really bothered me was how they showed that one cop holding the revolver upside-down using his fingertips, the same way they would hold up a gun that was evidence of a crime to the TV cameras! Plus that cop took the gun, but I didn't see them making any effort to document where the gun came from or who it belonged to, which made me wonder if that woman was ever going to see that revolver again.

And for the record, the revolver was unloaded when they took it from her, so it wasn't much of a threat.
 

wmburdette

9/11 - Never Forget!
2ndAmendment said:
This is what was happening:
Makeshift militia patrols Algiers neighborhood
Armed to the teeth, but they haven't fired a shot
By Susan Langenhennig
West Bank bureau

The house where Vinnie and the gang are holed up is not only high and dry but is one-half block from a lot that still has over 50 school buses parked.

Go to maps.google.com, click on the red Katrina button, and search for 718 Pelican St, New Orleans, LA
 

PJay

Well-Known Member
Well, I couldn't believe how rough they were with her, she was just a little thing. They slammed her up against the wall!! Also they filmed it?? Why were they filming it? Anyone watching the film would not have been on the officers side. She was not that much of a threat. She just asked them to leave!!
 
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2ndAmendment

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PREMO Member
vraiblonde said:
Here we go, folks. Effing fascists - they can't do that. NOW Bush needs to do something because this is crap. I understand the disease factor and how this is supposedly "for their own good", but this is America and the cops can't just come in, confiscate your guns and drag you out of your house.

2A, they showed cops looting on the news the other day. The cameraman actually filmed the cops taking stuff from a Wal-Mart and the reporter kept following this one cop around going, "What are you doing? Why are you taking those shoes? Why did you take that blouse?" The cop was obviously busted and trying to walk away and the reporter just kept following her and hounding her. It was funny, but sad because THESE are the people who are sworn to protect.
I know there are good cops, but many people become cops because of some need in them to control others or because it puts them "above the law". Corruption is, in my opinion, rampant in the police almost everywhere from the one horse town sheriff to the LAPD. The bigger the department, the more corruption.

Now the National Guard is another story. They must all be up and up. :rolleyes: Some 19 year old kid walks into a unoccupied house. Goes to the bedroom and finds jewelry or other valuables, paintings, whatever. Think those things are going to be left alone? Our troops during WWII did a lot of looting and people were, in my opinion, probably generally more honest then than now.
 
2ndAmendment said:
I know there are good cops, but many people become cops because of some need in them to control others or because it puts them "above the law". Corruption is, in my opinion, rampant in the police almost everywhere from the one horse town sheriff to the LAPD. The bigger the department, the more corruption.

Now the National Guard is another story. They must all be up and up. :rolleyes: Some 19 year old kid walks into a unoccupied house. Goes to the bedroom and finds jewelry or other valuables, paintings, whatever. Think those things are going to be left alone? Our troops during WWII did a lot of looting and people were, in my opinion, probably generally more honest then than now.

War vs security and clean up duty are two entirely different things! 19 year old soldiers in a war torn nation that have been there for a year or more are much more likely to snag something from a home than a soldier who is down to help evacuate and feed evacuees. Damn usually I agree with you, but I have to say I am disgusted by this post.
 
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Bruzilla

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There's no comparing the national guard to the NOPD. The later has been under charges of corruptions large and small for decades. They are widely recognized as the worst police department in the country, so it should come as no suprise that they are turning out to be a large part of the problem.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
2ndAmendment said:
And where in the Constitution of the Unites States does it say that martial law supersedes the Constitutional rights of the citizens? It doesn't! More government running a muck.

I shouldn't have used the term "martial law":

Contrary to many media reports, martial law has not been declared in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, because no such term exists in Louisiana state law. Rather, a state of emergency has been declared, which does give some powers similar to that of martial law. On the evening of August 31, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin did declare "martial law" (in name at least) in the city and said that "officers don't have to worry about civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters." Another common rule during riots and disasters is a curfew from sunset until sunrise.

However, the Constitution does allow for the suspension of Habeus Corpus. Read it some time.
 
Bruzilla said:
Plus that cop took the gun, but I didn't see them making any effort to document where the gun came from or who it belonged to, which made me wonder if that woman was ever going to see that revolver again.
I was thinking the same thing Bruzilla. I would have been livid. I doubt the people that are getting their guns taken will see their guns again. :ohwell: How sad.
 

BuddyLee

Football addict
Homesick said:
Well, I couldn't believe how rough they were with her, she was just a little thing. They slammed her up against the wall!! Also they filmed it?? Why were they filming it? Anyone watching the film would not have been on the officers side. She was not that much of a threat. She just asked them to leave!!
Rodney King! Rodney King!
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
You HAVE to be kidding...

MMDad said:
I firmly support the right to legally own guns, but this is martial law. They shouldn't even be in town with their guns, legally owned or not.


...why shouldn't someone be able to defend their self and home, especially now, of all times?

This is INSANE.
 
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Bruzilla

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Larry Gude said:
...why shouldn't someone be able to defend their self and home, especially now, of all times?

This is INSANE.

There's a Class III dealer a few miles from me who has a M1919A4 .30 Caliber heavy machine gun all set up on a tripod and ready to go. Maybe I'll go over there and buy that to defend my home if a hurricane comes to Jacksonville. I would love for some miscreant looter to stumble into sites when I'm manning that bad boy.
 
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