Matthew 5:28

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Matthew 5:28

<sup id="en-NASB-23263">28</sup>but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Exodus 20:14

<sup id="en-NASB-2066">14</sup>"You shall not commit adultery.
John 14:15

<sup id="en-NASB-26683"></sup><sup id="en-NASB-26684">15</sup>"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Puts a whole different perspective on pornography. Of course this applies the other way around, too.

God grant us Your grace and strength to live life Your way.
 
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Kizzy

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Odd :confused:

This topic seems to be mentioned often on this board, and it just happens to be a headline article today.

Marriage is a contract/a vow between two people in which each other agree to fulfill each other’s needs. It is no secret that 2-years ago, I went to my husband and said I felt I could no longer honor that contract because we were not fulfilling each other’s needs.

If a dog is not fed and loved at home, he will eat out of his neighbor’s garbage and search for affection from other’s in the neighborhood.

This isn’t meant to turn into a flame war by all means, so lets get that out up front. The forum has been dead and filled with childish banter and here is an opportunity to expand on something you’ve just quoted, which also matches a headline article today.

I think a great number of people on this board struggle with marital confusion/problems, etc. I myself have been in that boat, along with my husband. We’ve been married for 15 ½ years and started dated when we were 15 years old. For each other, there have been a staggered few temptations and reactions on those temptations that have nearly crumbled the foundation of our marriage.

God knew marriage wasn’t going to be an easy feat. It was going to be a constant struggle and in today’s society, to not be divorced at least once, to stay married for any length of time, is nearly unheard of.

Why? Is it that women are out in the workforce today, temptation is all around them? Is it that we have porn available at our fingertips, via the web? That when you are struggling, finding that neighbor is easier with the Internet? People are out there sniffing and searching for vulnerable people or they themselves are vulnerable?

I hear often from my friends (male/female) who are in a relationship now or have been in one that failed, failed because of neglect. Adultry occurs because of neglect. The failure to communicate with one another, spend time with each other, having friendship(s) outside the marriage that is not good for the marital unit.

How much time does this forum take away from the time we could spend with our families and significant others?

I have pondered over this and looking back see a great number of mistakes I made. I was consumed in college for a many number of years to mask a problem (basically keeping myself busy). After that, I spent far too much time on this forum, and even after my husband voiced that he didn’t care much for many of the “internet people” I snubbed my nose and thought “your not trying; you don’t care how I feel.” :confused: Obviously, I was respecting his discontent either. Each of us were confiding in other people and not in each other. Then there is the strain of caring for an aging parent/grandparent, we had that also.

Right now, my closest friends have seen a drastic change in the both of us. It took many struggles for us to get here and we couldn't be happier that we didn't become another statistic, but we have BOTH established some much needed boundaries in order to achieve happiness in our marriage.


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cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
A lot of marriages hit a stale point, not everyone commits adultery to "fix" it. And that just compounds the problem, IMO.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
From what I have read, many relationships are ruined by the Internet. Some by pornography, some by infidelity started on forums or chat rooms.

Pornography is not harmless. Flirting with anyone that is not your spouse is not harmless. "Society" has gotten more and more out of God's will and into doing their own thing which is selfisness. Because of selfishness, we ignore those that should be most important in our lives. We have become the "me generation". It was prophesied it would happen. It is a sign.



2 Timothy 3

"Difficult Times Will Come"

<sup id="en-NASB-29855">1</sup>But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.

<sup id="en-NASB-29856">2</sup>For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,

<sup id="en-NASB-29857">3</sup>unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,

<sup id="en-NASB-29858">4</sup>treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,

<sup id="en-NASB-29859">5</sup>holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

<sup id="en-NASB-29860">6</sup>For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses,

<sup id="en-NASB-29861">7</sup>always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

<sup id="en-NASB-29862">8</sup>Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.

<sup id="en-NASB-29863">9</sup>But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes's and Jambres's folly was also.

<sup id="en-NASB-29864">10</sup>Now you followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, perseverance,

<sup id="en-NASB-29865">11</sup>persecutions, and sufferings, such as happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium and at Lystra; what persecutions I endured, and out of them all the Lord rescued me!

<sup id="en-NASB-29866">12</sup>Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

<sup id="en-NASB-29867">13</sup>But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

<sup id="en-NASB-29868">14</sup>You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them,

<sup id="en-NASB-29869">15</sup>and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

<sup id="en-NASB-29870">16</sup>All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

<sup id="en-NASB-29871">17</sup>so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
Of course you can reverse men with women in the bolded verses and it is just as true.
 
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Kizzy

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2A - I am going to post Matthew (before and after your quote).

Matthew chapter 5 (NLT)

27 "You have heard that the law of Moses says, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28 But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 So if your eye - even if it is your good eye - causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your hand - even if it is your stronger hand - causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

31 "You have heard that the law of Moses says, 'A man can divorce his wife by merely giving her a letter of divorce.' 32 But I say that a man who divorces his wife, unless she has been unfaithful, causes her to commit adultery. And anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."


Adultery according to the bible is more than just stepping out of a marriage (with or without consent is unclear), but either way it strains the marital unit.

According to the bible, anyone who marries a divorced women is committing adultery.
 
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Kizzy

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cattitude said:
Yep..hence the ecclesiastical annulments.


:lol: They are hard to obtain under Catholic standards. I remember a few in our parish having problems. And I don’t remember seeing anywhere in the bible where that would be a “way out” and thought it was something the Catholic church created in the 14th or 15th century?

It is like the Catholics amended the bible the same way they are always amending the constitution.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Kizzy said:
2A - I am going to post Matthew (before and after your quote).




Adultery according to the bible is more than just stepping out of a marriage (with or without consent is unclear), but either way it strains the marital unit.

According to the bible, anyone who marries a divorced women is committing adultery.
That is true.

Good thing God provided salvation through Jesus for all our sins if we repent and accept Him.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Kizzy said:
:lol: They are hard to obtain under Catholic standards. I remember a few in our parish having problems. And I don’t remember seeing anywhere in the bible where that would be a “way out” and thought it was something the Catholic church created in the 14th or 15th century?

It is like the Catholics amended the bible the same way they are always amending the constitution.
Like catt stated; not hard to get. I think my cousin got two. Go figure. I know annulments are not in the Bible. There is only one reason for divorce in the Bible and you already quoted it.

Matthew 5:32

<sup id="en-NASB-23267">32</sup>but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
 

BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
cattitude said:
Not really. My ex got one and I had to agree to it (and we had a child). But they do it all the time.
Did you have to pay the Catholic Church for the annulment?
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
BS Gal said:
Did you have to pay the Catholic Church for the annulment?

I didn't. I was already divorced. Ex needed the annulment to get married again in the Catholic chuch. Whole thing seemed rather stupid to me. Funny thing, the priest himself actually called me to ask. I said "well, what does that do to my child?" He says "it's just really a formality type of thing" (or along that line). I laughed.
 
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Kizzy

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cattitude said:
Whole thing seemed rather stupid to me.


Glad you felt that way too. I always thought of it as an odd practice.

I bet the ex paid for that one. :whistle: Money wise. :lol: I've heard that if you pay them enough money, they will give you one.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
cattitude said:
I didn't. I was already divorced. Ex needed the annulment to get married again in the Catholic chuch. Whole thing seemed rather stupid to me. Funny thing, the priest himself actually called me to ask. I said "well, what does that do to my child?" He says "it's just really a formality type of thing" (or along that line). I laughed.
I don't think the priest had your best interest or the interest of your child at heart. If you and your former husband were never married (that is what an annulment means), then, as I understand it, any offspring from the union were born out of wedlock according to the church.
 

BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
Kizzy said:
Glad you felt that way too. I always thought of it as an odd practice.

I bet the ex paid for that one. :whistle: Money wise. :lol: I've heard that if you pay them enough money, they will give you one.

I have heard the same thing - Enough $ will buy you an annulment in any circumstance. I just think that is wrong. Either divorce is acceptable or not acceptable to the Catholic church. $ should not play into it.

If there is abuse or something along those lines, I can understand an annulment, but don't think an abused spouse should be required to cough up $ to get the annulment. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
2ndAmendment said:
I don't think the priest had your best interest or the interest of your child at heart. If you and your former husband were never married (that is what an annulment means), then, as I understand it, any offspring from the union were born out of wedlock according to the church.

I asked him about that at the time but only to be antagonistic. He said that was not the case. Didn't care then and don't now.

I know what an annulment means. The difference here is that an
ecclesiastical annulment only pertains to the church and is not legally recognized. But to discuss this further gets into my firm rule about not discussing my religious views on this forum.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
cattitude said:
I asked him about that at the time but only to be antagonistic. He said that was not the case. Didn't care then and don't now.

I know what an annulment means. The difference here is that an
ecclesiastical annulment only pertains to the church and is not legally recognized. But to discuss this further gets into my firm rule about not discussing my religious views on this forum.
:yay:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
BS Gal said:
I have heard the same thing - Enough $ will buy you an annulment in any circumstance. I just think that is wrong. Either divorce is acceptable or not acceptable to the Catholic church. $ should not play into it.

If there is abuse or something along those lines, I can understand an annulment, but don't think an abused spouse should be required to cough up $ to get the annulment. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
$$$ and church doctrine were the reason for Martin Luther's symbolic blow that began the Reformation when he nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church. That document contained an attack on papal abuses and the sale of indulgences by church officials.
 

BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
2ndAmendment said:
$$$ and church doctrine were the reason for Martin Luther's symbolic blow that began the Reformation when he nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church. That document contained an attack on papal abuses and the sale of indulgences by church officials.

I don't know about all that. I just know that I got very turned off from organized religion because it seemed like money was always a key issue. It's not that I don't believe.
 
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