Report: 3 of 4 US adults unqualified for Service

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"DALLAS - Retired Maj. Gens. Joseph Perugino and Daniel O'Neill, two former commanders of the Pennsylvania National Guard's 28th Infantry Division, are taking an active role promoting early learning programs for 3- and 4-year-olds.

They want to see more money invested in early childhood education, they said, because it is essential to the future of national security and workforce development. Not having enough money for early learning programs has the potential to be a threat to national security in the future, Perugino said.

Perugino and O'Neill were among the speakers at a roundtable discussion about the importance of early learning programs Friday at the Back Mountain Head Start Center in St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Dallas. State Sen. Lisa Baker, R-Lehman Township; state Rep. Karen Boback, R-Harveys Lake; Denise Cesare, president and CEO of Blue Cross of Northeastern Pennsylvania and Lynn Evans-Biga, executive director of Luzerne County Head Start, also attended.

Seventy-five percent of young adults nationwide are unable to join the military because they haven't graduated, have criminal records or are obese, according to a report released Friday by Mission: Readiness, a national security organization of more than 300 retired generals, admirals and other senior military leaders who support investments to help youngsters succeed in school and later in life.

The report details how one in five high school graduates in Pennsylvania does not score high enough on military entrance exams to qualify for service.

"Many of our young adults cannot meet the military's standards in math, reading and problem solving," said O'Neill, a member of Mission: Readiness.

"The reality of our modern-day military is that young people in uniform must operate cutting-edge technology and possess critical thinking skills. So, just as in the civilian workforce, the military increasingly needs better-educated young men and women to run its weapons systems."
 
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nhboy said:
Link to original article.

"DALLAS - Retired Maj. Gens. Joseph Perugino and Daniel O'Neill, two former commanders of the Pennsylvania National Guard's 28th Infantry Division, are taking an active role promoting early learning programs for 3- and 4-year-olds.

They want to see more money invested in early childhood education, they said, because it is essential to the future of national security and workforce development. Not having enough money for early learning programs has the potential to be a threat to national security in the future, Perugino said.

Perugino and O'Neill were among the speakers at a roundtable discussion about the importance of early learning programs Friday at the Back Mountain Head Start Center in St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Dallas. State Sen. Lisa Baker, R-Lehman Township; state Rep. Karen Boback, R-Harveys Lake; Denise Cesare, president and CEO of Blue Cross of Northeastern Pennsylvania and Lynn Evans-Biga, executive director of Luzerne County Head Start, also attended.

Seventy-five percent of young adults nationwide are unable to join the military because they haven't graduated, have criminal records or are obese, according to a report released Friday by Mission: Readiness, a national security organization of more than 300 retired generals, admirals and other senior military leaders who support investments to help youngsters succeed in school and later in life.

The report details how one in five high school graduates in Pennsylvania does not score high enough on military entrance exams to qualify for service.

"Many of our young adults cannot meet the military's standards in math, reading and problem solving," said O'Neill, a member of Mission: Readiness.

"The reality of our modern-day military is that young people in uniform must operate cutting-edge technology and possess critical thinking skills. So, just as in the civilian workforce, the military increasingly needs better-educated young men and women to run its weapons systems."
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This has to be a bull#### story...

The ASVAB is based on Percentiles.. so no matter how stupid, in general, the population is, more than 50% will ALWAYS qualify..

And the usual qualifying percentile is 31 which means no matter how stupid kids are 69% will always qualify..

And of course the opposite is also true.. NO matter how smart your population is, if you're "qaulification score" is based on percentiles you'll ALWAYS have 31% that don't qualify.. (more than one in five). Soooo, if PA has one in five graduates that don't qualify with a score of 31, they're better than the national average by 11%...

And these are generals??
 
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b23hqb

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Our current CinC is as unqualified as well. He could not have even been scheduled for a job interview with most government agencies, specifically the Secret Service that protects his life, because of his political and drug use background.

Combine that with his associations and connections with radicals, known terrorists, and communist views, what can you say?

Oh :doh: - stupid, moronic, ignorant, uninformed (an all exclusive oxymoron, for sure) voters, that's what you can say.

And the sad part is, those same voters will most assuredly do it again.

Go figure that one out.
 
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I was looking over my military records yesterday and found my ASVAB score...98th percentile....and my AFOQT score (I was an alternate to the Air Force Academy)...95th...also the test I took to cross train from civil engineering to communications security...100th percentile...

I had what was a standard public school education for the time AND parents who cared. Mom and dad were both heavily involved in the education of me, my brother and sisters.

Looking at my family history, I'm the 13th generation to serve in this land of ours, counting militia service in Colonial Times.

Looks like I need to volunteer in literacy programs.
 
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In a related report
1 out of 1 current U.S presidents are unqualified for the position.
 
itsbob

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spr1975wshs said:
I was looking over my military records yesterday and found my ASVAB score...98th percentile....and my AFOQT score (I was an alternate to the Air Force Academy)...95th...also the test I took to cross train from civil engineering to communications security...100th percentile...

I had what was a standard public school education for the time AND parents who cared. Mom and dad were both heavily involved in the education of me, my brother and sisters.

Looking at my family history, I'm the 13th generation to serve in this land of ours, counting militia service in Colonial Times.

Looks like I need to volunteer in literacy programs.
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Well, depends on what you are calling your'ASVAB Score' ASVAB had multiple scores (depending on service).. The AFQT is the qualifying test score, the GT score is what they consider your 'military IQ', the rest are basically vocational aptitude..

For the USAF these included AM (Applying Makeup) MM (Mascara can be Manly) MC (Menstrual Cramping) and SL (Shaving Legs)....
 
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I know, I didn't believe this either..



Why would an airman with ZERO testosterone EVER have to shave his legs?
 
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I know, I didn't believe this either..

A reporter lands with the Marines on a beach, blood and guts everywhere, shells and bullets exploding and flying by inches away, and says to the reporter "This place really, really sucks".

A few days later, the reporter embeds with an Army unit a few miles inland, foxholed up, with shells exploding all around, but with hot food and water along with pretty good security, and tells the reporter "This place really sucks".

Later that day, the reporter returns to a Navy ship offshore bombarding and launching aircraft against the enemy targets, sees a Navy man observing the battle onshore and he says "I bet that place really sucks".

An Air Force recruit checks into his first duty station, goes to his barracks assignment, sees there is no cable TV in his room and he has to share a bathroom with another adjoining room, calls up the CO and says "This place really, really, really sucks, and is unacceptable for the USAF."



Why would an airman with ZERO testosterone EVER have to shave his

legs?
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A reporter lands with the Marines on a beach, blood and guts everywhere, shells and bullets exploding and flying by inches away, and a Marine says to the reporter "This place really, really sucks".

A few days later, the reporter embeds with an Army unit a few miles inland, foxholed up, with shells exploding all around, but with hot food and water along with pretty good security, and a soldier tells the reporter "This place really sucks".

Later that day, the reporter returns to a Navy ship offshore bombarding and launching aircraft against the enemy targets, sees a Navy man observing the battle onshore and the sailor says "I bet that place really sucks".

An Air Force recruit checks into his first duty station, goes to his barracks assignment, sees there is no cable TV in his room and he has to share a bathroom with another adjoining room, calls up the CO and says "This place really, really, really sucks, and is unacceptable for the USAF."
 
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Every time I read this headline, I get this image in my head of this mooing heard of fat tubs of lard spilling out of landing ships at Normandy and half of them sinking, immediately, to the bottom while the other half huff and puff and stumble their way to waters edge, not quite able to make it onto the sand and, all the while, the Germans, stunned, hold their fire seeking clarification from high command as to whether this constitutes an invasion or a diversion and how should they proceed thinking they may well win by just letting us be.
 
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Larry Gude said:
Every time I read this headline, I get this image in my head of this mooing heard of fat tubs of lard spilling out of landing ships at Normandy and half of them sinking, immediately, to the bottom while the other half huff and puff and stumble their way to waters edge, not quite able to make it onto the sand and, all the while, the Germans, stunned, hold their fire seeking clarification from high command as to whether this constitutes an invasion or a diversion and how should they proceed thinking they may well win by just letting us be.
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Ok, in real time - where would you fit into any part of that equation? And playing what riff?:drummer::buddies:
 
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Agreed, but that question was answered by the millions of volunteers and those drafted in 1941 - 1945, the GREATEST generation ever. They answered the call, generally with no questions asked. It was the way we should be today.

I agree with Brokaw on one thing, anyway.

We are here, right now in real time, because of them. The rest of time will be up to God's determination.
 
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b23hqb said:
Agreed, but that question was answered by the millions of volunteers and those drafted in 1941 - 1945, the GREATEST generation ever. They answered the call, generally with no questions asked. It was the way we should be today. .
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Ah, lets not go there, OK?

Answer these; percentage of folks who were drafted in Vietnam?

Percentage of draftees in WWII?

You think about what that says, to go off to war, no questions asked, which wasn't the case anyway, in a free society.

Then, search around some about draft dodging in the two eras and AWOL numbers. Tom Brokaw may have written a great book, but, he left a few things out.

Then, let's keep in mind what happened after WWII; the baby boomers didn't become this group of argumentative fight the power types by accident. Those kids lost fathers and uncles and grandfathers, knew lots and lots more war cripples and were encouraged to do things like ask "Why?".

:buddies:
 
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From Wikipedia;

"As U.S. troop strength in Vietnam increased, more young men were drafted for service there, and many of those still at home sought means of avoiding the draft. Since only 15,000 National Guard and Reserve soldiers were sent to Vietnam, enlistment in the Guard or the Reserves became a popular means of avoiding serving in a war zone.

For those who could meet the more stringent enlistment standards, service in the Air Force, Navy or Coast Guard was a means of reducing the chances of being exposed to high-intensity ground combat.

Vocations to the ministry and the rabbinate soared, because divinity students were exempt from the draft[citation needed].

Doctors and draft board members found themselves being pressured by relatives or family friends to exempt potential draftees.[citation needed]"



Maybe Romney could provide the citation needed for the statement above.
 
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Larry Gude said:
Ah, lets not go there, OK?

Answer these; percentage of folks who were drafted in Vietnam?

You think about what that says, to go off to war, no questions asked, which wasn't the case anyway, in a free society.

Then, search around some about draft dodging in the two eras and AWOL numbers. Tom Brokaw may have written a great book, but, he left a few things out.

Then, let's keep in mind what happened after WWII; the baby boomers didn't become this group of argumentative fight the power types by accident. Those kids lost fathers and uncles and grandfathers, knew lots and lots more war cripples and were encouraged to do things like ask "Why?".

:buddies:
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That is a tough question. Here is whatI can come up with, and I am a VN era vet (1972 -76, and never in country):

There were a lot more military needed in WWII - millions and millions more - just because it was world-wide. About one out of three volunteered, the rest were drafted, All with a great chance of actually being sent into a war zone. best I can find.

Many of the draftees took three hots and a cot seriously, with not much complaint. The depression, maybe?

They, along with volunteers, did the job required of them.

Viet Nam era: About 4 in 5 volunteered, with a much lower probability of actually being sent to VN. A job is a job.

Sheer numbers needed define each event.

My dad spent two tours in VN as an Army officer. He also served in WWII and Korea (both in war zones) as an enlisted man.

I do not take any slant against US serviceman/women, for whatever possible reason, lightly.
 
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b23hqb said:
Agreed, but that question was answered by the millions of volunteers and those drafted in 1941 - 1945, the GREATEST generation ever. They answered the call, generally with no questions asked. It was the way we should be today.

I agree with Brokaw on one thing, anyway.

We are here, right now in real time, because of them. The rest of time will be up to God's determination.
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For the most part, that was true. There were a lot of people who objected, and refused to go, back during WWII. Mostly socialists, communists (until Hitler invaded the Soviet Union), and the newly formed Nation of Islam.
 
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b23hqb said:
I do not take any slant against US serviceman/women, for whatever possible reason, lightly.
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Slant or slight? If you mean slight, neither do I. There is no greater sacrifice someone can make than to volunteer to go off to war, leaving everything they cherish behind, knowing there is a good chance they will never come home again, all for the defense and protection of that which they love.

However, not everyone goes off to war with those feelings and intentions. Especially in a free society because in a free society, you are free to question, to think, to argue. In our society, we have several feelings about our military; we are very jealous of it's use and do NOT well tolerate it's use absent good, sound reasons we all understand. And, we do not trust the military/industrial complex part of it just as we, naturally as Americans, don't trust any great self interested bureaucracy.

It's just not accurate to portray The Greatest Generation as this mass, one and all, of uniform nobility and sacrifice and it ill serves us a nation to think in those terms because it's not true and because it avoids the larger questions of what freedom is.

Consider. in WWII, at least there was formal declaration of war. Look at what Johnson did, the lies he told us. Look at the obfuscation and opaqueness of the Iraq War Resolution. We must, we MUST follow our constitution because the founders knew their history and knew human nature. It's tough enough to get things to go right IF we're all on the same page let alone when the politics of the thing are not clear and readily understandable, identifiable and achievable.

:buddies:
 
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itsbob said:
Well, depends on what you are calling your'ASVAB Score' ASVAB had multiple scores (depending on service).. The AFQT is the qualifying test score, the GT score is what they consider your 'military IQ', the rest are basically vocational aptitude..

For the USAF these included AM (Applying Makeup) MM (Mascara can be Manly) MC (Menstrual Cramping) and SL (Shaving Legs)....
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Don't forget ES (Eyebrow Shaping) and MS (Man-Scaping). :whistle:
 
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