100 facts and 1 opinion article

SamSpade

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BORAT said:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts
100 facts and sources cited

"40. The Bush Administration turned a $236 billion surplus into a $422 billion deficit.

Sources: Fortune, dfw.com "

But we got refund checks! Show me the money!!!! Bush showed us the money! Yay for Bush!

Half of these 'facts' are on the level of "so what"?
But some of these 'facts' are outright wrong. We never had a 236 billion surplus. That's unified budget BS.
 

UrbanPancake

Right=Wrong/Left=Right
SamSpade said:
Half of these 'facts' are on the level of "so what"?
But some of these 'facts' are outright wrong. We never had a 236 billion surplus. That's unified budget BS.

Republicans, you need to get out of denial. Bush wasted our surplus and now we have a huge deficit. We as citizens have to pay as we go. Why should it be any different for a President who wastes our money and our savings? As a Republican you would think that Bush would at least want a balanced budget?! :confused:
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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UrbanPancake said:
our surplus
:lmao: Could you BE any more 90's? That story was debunked a LONG time ago - but I see you're still stuck in a time warp.

Wake up, sista! Read a CURRENT newspaper for a change!

:lmao:
 

UrbanPancake

Right=Wrong/Left=Right
vraiblonde said:
:lmao: Could you BE any more 90's? That story was debunked a LONG time ago - but I see you're still stuck in a time warp.

Wake up, sista! Read a CURRENT newspaper for a change!

:lmao:

I'm awake. Believe me. If Bush is such a family man why would he be against having a surplus? Doesn't he believe in savings for families?
 

vraiblonde

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UrbanPancake said:
I'm awake.
IF you were awake, then you'd have read all the news stories about how there was NO surplus - it was only a projected surplus, based on some voodoo money shuffling crap that never took place.
 

SamSpade

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UrbanPancake said:
I'm awake. Believe me. If Bush is such a family man why would he be against having a surplus? Doesn't he believe in savings for families?

You don't know WHAT a budget surplus IS, do you?

By the way, look up "unified budget". Learn something. The surplus was smoke and mirrors.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
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UrbanPancake said:
I'm awake. Believe me. If Bush is such a family man why would he be against having a surplus? Doesn't he believe in savings for families?
See this is the crap that gets me the most. "Saving for families", where is it the government's business to take anymore money from working folk then what is needed to pay the current bills. Why don't those families that you talk about drop that teat from their mouths and get a job and save for themselves like most of us are already doing?
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Does the word 'communism'...

...ring any bells?

Bush wasted our surplus and now we have a huge deficit

Annual defecits are looked at in terms of percentage of GDP.

If you have a $5 trillion GDP and a $200 billion annual defecit that's, in terms of economic health, the same as $10 trillion GDP and $400 billion in defecit, both are 4%.

Out current national debt is about $7.5 trillion and the real issue is managing the debt service. We are constantly paying off old debt and incurring new.

Short term t bills are paying less than 2% right now so, $400 bill costs we, the people, $8 billion a year in debt service.

Contrast that with what $400 billion in tax cuts may do.

If a consumer borrows money against their house to pay off credit cards they are way ahead each month and are putting cash into anything they choose.

If they start a small business, hire some folks, buy eqiupment etc, they are likely, in all taxes from income to payroll et al, to return to the federal government (and state for that matter) far more than the measly 2% it is costing to run the defecit.

This is simplified because the tax code turns this into a maze but anyone, ANYONE would borrow money at 2% if they could get a return that allowed them to service the debt and earn a decent profit.

Anyone except, well, communists. They operate in a zero sum gain mentality and that's what it returns: ZERO

So, does the defecit return more than it costs?

Simply, yes.
 
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