Reality of Gun Ownership

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RadioPatrol

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It is now closer to reality than you think


You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few That are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave
yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper.
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."
The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England, killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the
Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.
When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control",demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a
semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took Away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison
sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.


Sound familiar?
WAKE UP AMERICA , THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION

"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams

If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know.
 

smcop

New Member

In 1999 Martin was living in an isolated farmhouse in Emneth Hungate, Norfolk, nicknamed "Bleak House". He claimed to have been burgled several times, losing £6,000 worth of furniture. Martin also complained about police inaction over the burglaries. Police sources, however, have expressed doubts that all these incidents took place.[2]

On the night of 20 August 1999, two burglars - Brendon Fearon, 29, and Fred Barras, 16 – entered Bleak House. When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window, but were shot by Martin - Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the back.[ Fearon was able to leave and obtain aid from a couple that lived near the house. He was then taken into hospital, where he was treated.[citation needed] Martin subsequently left the farm and fled to his mother's house, where he hid the firearm. Later that evening, he arrived at a local inn and stayed for the night. Barras was later found dead in the grounds by a police dog.

On 10 January 2000, Fearon and Darren Bark, 33, both from Newark-on-Trent, Nottinghamshire, admitted to conspiring to burgle Martin's farmhouse. Fearon was sentenced to three years in prison, and Bark to 30 months (with an additional 12 months arising from previous offences). Fearon was released on August 10, 2001.

Not that I agree with the charges, but in fairness, seems the British Government didn't exactly come at the guy soley because he had a gun. There are parts of the U.S. where if you shoot a guy who is fleeing your home from a burglary you would be prosecuted as well.
 

river rat

BUCKING GOAT
Took my niece and nephews out to shoot clays over the holidays.
Ages 12 thru 14
The oldest boy did not want to shoot. He said he was afraid of touching a gun.

Now with that said.
This fear is not something drilled in to him by family. We have all hunted or fired guns at one time or another.
We have been taught and still teach that a gun is only to be used for sport and of course it is "not a toy"

He look at me and said " I am not someone that you would want to be handling a gun."
I didn't press the issue any further with him but.....
I'm like "WTF?"
Where is this #### coming from?

For me, turning 12 and going hunting was equivalent to turning 16 and driving.
I could not wait to be taught to shoot.
My Dad did NOT hunt but he still took me to the range to shoot. He taught me to be cautious, how to be safe with firearms and how to keep yourself and others in check when sporting guns. So that when I was old enough I could go into the woods safely.
I was never "afraid" just very cautious.

So I suppose main stream has taught my nephew that he is a maniac and he can't be around guns.
Perhaps, he sees me as some barbaric relic from another era, sporting a gun, maiming critters and about to snap.
I don't get this.
It is not that important to him.
Ah hell, my 21 yr old nephew didn't even go along so what am I thinking. He was to busy on the interwebs. :confused:
 

Pushrod

Patriot
How long before the gun ban nuts are on here praising the British and their gun and crime free society?
 

Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
Not that I agree with the charges, but in fairness, seems the British Government didn't exactly come at the guy soley because he had a gun. There are parts of the U.S. where if you shoot a guy who is fleeing your home from a burglary you would be prosecuted as well.

Kind of proves Radiopatrols point about America sliding down that same slippery slope, doesn't it...
 

smcop

New Member
Kind of proves Radiopatrols point about America sliding down that same slippery slope, doesn't it...

I don't think so. If you are in favor of making a burglary a capital crime, punishable by death, then I guess it would be ok. I support a person DEFENDING thier home, but to shoot a person in the back as they are climbing out a window, is that really home defense or is it vigilantism?
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
I don't think so. If you are in favor of making a burglary a capital crime, punishable by death, then I guess it would be ok. I support a person DEFENDING thier home, but to shoot a person in the back as they are climbing out a window, is that really home defense or is it vigilantism?

It is "Defending thier home". It is my "home", not someones cookie jar.
You break into my home, you will be shot at, entering, leaving, hands up, grabbing your ankles.

JMHO
 

smcop

New Member
It is "Defending thier home". It is my "home", not someones cookie jar.
You break into my home, you will be shot at, entering, leaving, hands up, grabbing your ankles.

JMHO
You advocate the death sentence for someone who committs burglary. If that is your stance, well that is your stance. But that is not defending your home. To shoot someone who is on the run is not a defensive act.
 

Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
I don't think so. If you are in favor of making a burglary a capital crime, punishable by death, then I guess it would be ok. I support a person DEFENDING thier home, but to shoot a person in the back as they are climbing out a window, is that really home defense or is it vigilantism?

50 years ago it was home defense. Now it's "Vigilantism"...

That change in perspective is exactly what RP was trying to point out.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
You advocate the death sentence for someone who committs burglary. If that is your stance, well that is your stance. But that is not defending your home. To shoot someone who is on the run is not a defensive act.

I advocate the death for anyone that breaks into my home. I don't really care if they are there to committ burglary or pet my cat. If someone breaks into to anyones home they should expect and deserve to recieve incoming rounds.
 

smcop

New Member
I advocate the death for anyone that breaks into my home. I don't really care if they are there to committ burglary or pet my cat. If someone breaks into to anyones home they should expect and deserve to recieve incoming rounds.
Then there is no argument. You advocate the death penalty for someone who committs burglary.
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
You advocate the death sentence for someone who committs burglary. If that is your stance, well that is your stance. But that is not defending your home. To shoot someone who is on the run is not a defensive act.


I am not trained to understand "who is on the run" vs " who may hurt my family", vs someone who is "commiting a burglary". I will always asume they want to hurt my family and try to stop them in anyway I can.

How many families have been killed by random burglaries gone wrong?

If a criminal thought the odds of meeting me vs some non armed person they would think twice about coming into my home. Crime would go down. They are criminals not burglars.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Then there is no argument. You advocate the death penalty for someone who committs burglary.

How do I know that they are there to committ burglary and how do I know they won't change their mind once they get there and encounter someone?
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
Socop

How many families have been killed by random burglaries gone wrong?



I assume you are a police officer. You are trained in shoot no shoot affairs.
We are not. You cannot protect me. You cannot protect my family.
I am not condeming you but the system that protects criminals and not my family.
When someone breaks into my home, I do not have the time to try to understand their intent. I have to automatically asume they want to harm my wife, children and my dog, not to mention me. I would rather go to jail for life protecting my family, rather that to live a life of "if I would of only protected my family".
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
And what do you advocate if someone breaks into your home?

Politely ask them what they are there for, if not murder he'll get out of their way and let them do whatever they want to do before leaving, I suspect based on his posts here.
 
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