Easy to pick which side is insane.

ImnoMensa

New Member
You just know there's bound to be one or two.

Meanwhile, somebody needs to check Ratboy's meds....sounds like he's self-medicating again. Creative pharmacology at its worst.

It's hard to believe a major cable outlet would continue to allow the fools they have working for them to go off on these rants.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
It's hard to believe a major cable outlet would continue to allow the fools they have working for them to go off on these rants.

Hold up; Ed Schultz, Chris Mathews, Keef and Rachel? Ratigan fits right in there with MSNBC's mission statement; 'We hire the freaks so you don't have to'. Hard to believe? It's what they do.

When Ratigan first came on the scene, he had potential but, his first show of his own, he ran off the rails, essentially like his little performance last night and lost his AM spot, right after Morning Joe. He does have talent so, he got another spot. He just seems to lose, or chooses to lose, the connection between his stated interest in arguing for better policy, going after the special interests and then actually ending up serving their interests when his bias comes screaming through.

I will say this; I was stunned last night just how fast and hard he went off the deep end last night. I was watching that piece. It made me angry to watch yet another opportunity for a good debate, a good argument dissolve into the same old left wing view that anyone who objects to unconstitutional policy is a racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe, etc, etc, etc.

People develop their own narrative and it becomes life and death for them, it seems, that everything MUST conform, more or less, to that narrative or the fear, gravely, that the universe will shatter out of control if they actually explore opposing views.

My God. Obama is long time pals with Ayers and Wright and has far left wing ideologues galore in his administration and, clearly, is an international socialist. By Ratigan's narrow world view, that MUST mean everyone who ever showed up at an Obama rally or, worse, voted for him, is anti American in their international socialist views and hates white people and Obama agrees with them unless he, Obama, specifically denounces them and their views, on a regular basis.

There is a huge, untapped market for intelligent, non partisan argument. Or, maybe not?
 

ImnoMensa

New Member
Sure he is. So is Ratigan. They're both rather passionate. Just not sure what Ratigan actually cares about.

I like Beck's message, but his presentation sucks.

As for Ratigan, I didnt know he existed until I saw this Utube on him, my opinion of him after viewing that piece is that he is certifiably insane.
In any face to face debate a person who acted like that in any bar in this country would receive the ass-whooping he so richly deserved.

Now if he wants to reduce debate to the level of bar arguing he should not be on a Cable TV outlet. I have heard many loud and profane bar arguments, and that is exactly what he reduced the level of his argument to.

Intellect was wholly absent,and insanity was the rule of the day.
 

bcp

In My Opinion
At 1:08 into the video he describes the liberals theory of winning.
he says that the Tea Party should be "shaming them" in other words, call them names, give them a label and they will be shamed into agreeing with a different agenda.
sound familiar?
Dont agree with any program that puts one race over another? = Racist or Redneck, in some cases you are a racist redneck. (unless you think that any race should have preference over the whites, then you are a civil rights activist)

Dont agree with gay marriage, or agree that gays are being denied rights? homophobe, bigot, closed minded

Dont support the illegals? racist, bigot.

Been going on for years.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I like Beck's message, but his presentation sucks.

As for Ratigan, I didnt know he existed until I saw this Utube on him, my opinion of him after viewing that piece is that he is certifiably insane.
In any face to face debate a person who acted like that in any bar in this country would receive the ass-whooping he so richly deserved.

Now if he wants to reduce debate to the level of bar arguing he should not be on a Cable TV outlet. I have heard many loud and profane bar arguments, and that is exactly what he reduced the level of his argument to.

Intellect was wholly absent,and insanity was the rule of the day.

How could Beck do what he does, emotional, impassioned argument, any other way? You can disagree whether or not the passion and emotion is effective but, that is his shtick.

As for Rat, that was no bar brawl. The Tea Party guy, to his credit, did NOT take the bait. He did what any self respecting person should do when confronted with an ass; get up and leave. Why would you want to lower yourself to that level? He didn't and because he refused the invitation to scream and yell Ra was left being the loser asshat.

Ratigan's recent history is to argue we have to stop the special interests, stop having our politics serve Wall Street and such yet he totally refuses to denounce idiocy like TARP and the auto bail outs that are 100% what he claims to oppose. He's like far too many folks in politics and commentary; they will go after Wall Street and 'special' interests but insist we HAD to do TARP and the bailouts.

He's a very dumb smart guy.
 

ImnoMensa

New Member
How could Beck do what he does, emotional, impassioned argument, any other way? You can disagree whether or not the passion and emotion is effective but, that is his shtick.

As for Rat, that was no bar brawl. The Tea Party guy, to his credit, did NOT take the bait. He did what any self respecting person should do when confronted with an ass; get up and leave. Why would you want to lower yourself to that level? He didn't and because he refused the invitation to scream and yell Ra was left being the loser asshat.

Ratigan's recent history is to argue we have to stop the special interests, stop having our politics serve Wall Street and such yet he totally refuses to denounce idiocy like TARP and the auto bail outs that are 100% what he claims to oppose. He's like far too many folks in politics and commentary; they will go after Wall Street and 'special' interests but insist we HAD to do TARP and the bailouts.

He's a very dumb smart guy.

I repeat my argument that people who act like he did do not belong on Cable TV or any other purported News outlet.

Your description of a dumb -smart guy meets with my definition of insanity.
His job is not to go into a rant with a person he interviews, he is to ask pertinent questions and comment on them, not to start by insults and totally lose control of his senses and probably his bowels, the way he acted.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I repeat my argument that people who act like he did do not belong on Cable TV or any other purported News outlet.

Your description of a dumb -smart guy meets with my definition of insanity.
His job is not to go into a rant with a person he interviews, he is to ask pertinent questions and comment on them, not to start by insults and totally lose control of his senses and probably his bowels, the way he acted.

Ok, that is your view. What I am saying is that Mathews/Keef/Rachel/Ed and now Ratigan is EXACTLY what MSNBC thinks their business should offer.

There is no way these people are simply too stupid to recognize the inconsistencies of their arguments thus, in my view, that have a role to play. They are actors. That they are also believers helps them in terms of motivation but, I can find you 100,000 high school senior drama kids who can play the role of 'outraged populist avenger'; Anything this type guest says is to illicit outrage. Anything this team says is to be supported and worked with.

It's a simple, inane, red light, green light formula but, I guess it works for them.
 
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