2024 - DeSantis

22AcaciaAve

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But we’re depleting our toy supply without backfilling it fast enough if something comes up fast. Yes we’ve got a lot of ICBM’s, but sometimes you need more flyswatter less hammer.

And if that is happening, I agree that it is a problem. Maybe Biden needs to direct tax dollars towards replenishment of our munitions supply rather than worrying about forgiving school loan debt!
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Let me ask a dumb question. Joe Biden destroyed our energy independence and then he sold our emergency supply of oil to China, and other places. Here is a fact the government knows where the oil is. Why doesn't the government drill a well and re-supply the oil in our reserves instead of buying it at huge cost?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

DeSantis Economic Policy Looks Like Typical GOPe Think Tank Work Product of Mindless Platitudes​


August 1, 2023 | Sundance | 379 Comments


First, I must admit to coming to any economic policy outline as presented with a laser focus. You tell me you have an economic policy, and you have my full attention. Why? Because the economic policy of a federal candidate will ultimately determine monetary policy, fiscal policy and foreign policy. It is the only national policy we cannot affect from a local level, yet we are necessarily impacted by it and cannot avoid it.

MAGA starts with MAGAnomics. So, to say I get into the weeds on this, would be a soft understatement.

Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, what Ron DeSantis outlined yesterday was a series of 10-point meaningless platitudes. If the UniParty policy teams of Pete Buttigieg and Kamala Harris got together over a weekend with Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy, they would create a think-tank-driven UniParty economic policy outline very similar to what Ron DeSantis presented yesterday.

Platitudes, soundbites and structurally incoherent gibberish – presented with a word assembly that amounts to nothing.

“We will declare our economic independence from the failed elites that have orchestrated American decline, from the reckless federal spending that has inflated prices and plunged this nation to the brink of bankruptcy.” ~ Ron DeSantis 7/31/23
 

Kinnakeet

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I 100% agree these statements. I really don't understand pushback from anyone, republican or democrat. I'm with Ronald Reagan on this......never trust the Russians. Anything we can do to degrade them militarily is money well spent in my opinion. I'm not saying I want it to be a blank check that just keeps pouring taxpayer money into the Ukraine, but I'm good with working with all NATO nations to supply them with weapons to help their fight.

The Russians are not to be trusted. This may be the only area that I agree with Biden on. I don't necessarily want Putin gone, just severely weakened. Some of the guys who might replace him are worse than him. As long as we aren't putting our troops over there, but still being a thorn in his side I'm good with keeping it up. We can implode him from within. Reagan did it by forcing an arms race that the Russians just couldn't keep up with. The combinations of economic sanctions and degrading his military without economic ways of increasing it continues to put pressure on Putin.

Republican nominees like Trump and DeSantis want to pull the plug on Ukraine help. That's a mistake. I don't want Biden back, his domestic economic policy is a disaster, but the republican front runners thoughts so far on Ukraine are not a policy that will be helpful in the long run to the United States. That needs to change. Biden's boss allowed Russia to go unchallenged into Georgia. A horrible mistake that republicans rightly called out at the time. I would hope their current leaders are not so obtuse that they really believe allowing Russia to go unchallenged and unpunished for their actions in the Ukraine is the right way to go. I won't ever vote for Biden, but I won't support any republican nominee that makes pulling all types of support for Ukraine their agenda.
Fuk the ukraine stop sending my tax money to them for nothing in return except money being sent to the biden crime family I for one do not give a rats azz about that country it serves us with nothing but headaches. That war is between the 2 countries that are going at it we need to stop sticking our noses in other people buisness this sh!t keeps up and next thing you know we will have boots on the ground and in another unpopular war costing AMERICAN lives once again!
 

Kinnakeet

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I kind of get that. I don't think Ukraine is a terrorist nation on the same terms as Iran, Sudan, and some others, but they haven't exactly been an ally either. I think this was just an opportunity. An opportunity to do something similar to what Reagan did to Iran and Iraq. We supported Iraq, gave them some arms and some military intelligence to keep them and Iran at war. Let them both kill each other and degrade each other's military strength. Same thing here. We're not necessarily in it for Ukraine to win, but in it enough to beat the crap out of Russia and make sure whatever the outcome they are a militarily weakened nation.
They will be for the right price! (terrorist nation)
 

Hijinx

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Fuk the ukraine stop sending my tax money to them for nothing in return except money being sent to the biden crime family I for one do not give a rats azz about that country it serves us with nothing but headaches. That war is between the 2 countries that are going at it we need to stop sticking our noses in other people buisness this sh!t keeps up and next thing you know we will have boots on the ground and in another unpopular war costing AMERICAN lives once again!
What concerns me about the Ukraine is that Zelenski may be as bad as Putin or even worse.
What type of leadership are we endorsing with our money.
 

Kinnakeet

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What concerns me about the Ukraine is that Zelenski may be as bad as Putin or even worse.
What type of leadership are we endorsing with our money.
Zelenski is useing some of the money for himself we send weapons and they disappear and probably end up on the black market for some sh!t hole country to reverse engineer and be used against us in the future maybe.
Im willing to bet that the bidens are getting a ton of that money along with the terrorist know as bama
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Like many people who admire what he’s accomplished in Florida, it’s a bit mystifying that he’s not out there swinging for the fences. Since the pandemic, his record as the chief executive of the nation’s third-most populous state has been full of things for conservatives to cheer about.

Democrats have been distorting or flat-out lying about what’s going on in Florida all along, of course. Now, Republicans who don’t want DeSantis to be the nominee have been attempting a complete rewrite about his stellar comportment during the worst days of the COVID plague. That’s been a real stretch, given that DeSantis was the first Republican leader to tell the feds what they could do with their Draconian Fauci folly, then remained stalwart in the face of relentless criticism from both sides of the aisle.

DeSantis seems to be at his best when naysayers are in the same room with him. He routinely dismantles reporters who have asked idiotic questions and/or misrepresented what he’s done. I think part of the problem with his campaign so far is that he hasn’t had many in-person foes to help spark some enthusiasm.

The debates are coming up, but Trump keeps saying he won’t participate. He’s got a huge lead in the polls and can rant uninterrupted for the sycophantic fan boys in the Truth Social wasteland, so why show up for a debate?

Vice President Kamala Harris has recently been on a tear, lying about DeSantis and what Florida’s public school curriculum teaches. DeSantis invited Harris to debate him. Princess Cackles declined with one of her patented word salads, which our newest writer Anthony Gonzalez wrote about:

Speaking in Orlando, Fla., on Tuesday, Harris dismissed DeSantis’ offer. “They attempt to legitimize these unnecessary debates with a proposal that most recently came in of a politically motivated roundtable,” Harris said in the Tuesday speech.


 

22AcaciaAve

Well-Known Member
Fuk the ukraine stop sending my tax money to them for nothing in return except money being sent to the biden crime family I for one do not give a rats azz about that country it serves us with nothing but headaches. That war is between the 2 countries that are going at it we need to stop sticking our noses in other people buisness this sh!t keeps up and next thing you know we will have boots on the ground and in another unpopular war costing AMERICAN lives once again!

Yeah, get that. But unfortunately the US can not be a total isolationist country. I understand that the war is between 2 countries that we could give a crap about, but we are propping up one country to prevent the other from running over it. And also we are spending money to make Russia use a lot of their military weapons. They should have taken the Ukraine over in about a 3 month or less period. It is now a year an a half and the Ukraine is actually attacking them in their own country.

I know taxpayer money has been spent on this and I get that we should all be concerned. But anything that kills even one Russian is a plus for the United States. Go back and listen to Ronald Reagan. The USSR is our greatest enemy. And if we can weaken them just by sending weapons, we should do it. F### all of Russia. If their population wants to take out Putin, we should help. Until then, they can all die a slow death and I really won't give a crap.
 

22AcaciaAve

Well-Known Member
What concerns me about the Ukraine is that Zelenski may be as bad as Putin or even worse.
What type of leadership are we endorsing with our money.

I don't know if I can agree with that. I'm sure there are some skeletons in Zelenski's house, but not nearly as much as Putin. Whatever we can do to take Putin out should be done. The only person in American politics who gives Putin a pass is Trump. I really have to wonder why. Russia is the enemy. And the sooner we eliminate Putin and weaken Russia, the better off the US will be.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Does DeSantis Know What Time It Is? Didn’t Sound Like It In That NBC Interview



He then went on to blame Trump for basically everything that happened in the 2020 cycle: pandemic-inspired mass unrestricted mail-in voting and ballot-harvesting, “Zuckerbucks,” the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, and so on. Trump, he said, “turned the government over to Fauci,” citing the CARES Act, “which funded mail-in ballots across the country.”

Here we have what’s now a familiar formula from DeSantis: say whatever he thinks Trump voters want to hear, and then attack Trump. In this case, he acknowledged the truth — that there were major problems with 2020, that it was not a “good-run election” — but then blamed Trump for not fighting back, which is not just a ridiculous way to characterize 2020 but seems like an answer almost designed in a lab to infuriate every last Republican primary voter.

It’s an odd but observable pattern that seems to be the result of someone coaching him to attack or blame Trump in nearly every answer he gives, regardless of the context or issue at hand, even in an ill-advised pre-taped interview with a corporate media outlet like NBC and a hack like Burns, whom DeSantis should have known would present his answers in the worst possible light.

The plain truth is that no issue is more important for DeSantis (and the entire GOP field) than the 2020 election, and if he wants to be the nominee he’d better come up with a better answer than, “Yeah 2020 had some problems but they were all Trump’s fault.” As I argued in these pages recently, DeSantis has zero chance of winning the primary unless he acknowledges unequivocally that 2020 was rigged and vows to go to war against the system that rigged it. He shouldn’t be attacking Trump on this front, but the deep state-Democrat-Big Tech machine that took Trump out. It’s his only path to the nomination, yet he has refused thus far to follow it.
 

Kinnakeet

Well-Known Member

Does DeSantis Know What Time It Is? Didn’t Sound Like It In That NBC Interview



He then went on to blame Trump for basically everything that happened in the 2020 cycle: pandemic-inspired mass unrestricted mail-in voting and ballot-harvesting, “Zuckerbucks,” the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, and so on. Trump, he said, “turned the government over to Fauci,” citing the CARES Act, “which funded mail-in ballots across the country.”

Here we have what’s now a familiar formula from DeSantis: say whatever he thinks Trump voters want to hear, and then attack Trump. In this case, he acknowledged the truth — that there were major problems with 2020, that it was not a “good-run election” — but then blamed Trump for not fighting back, which is not just a ridiculous way to characterize 2020 but seems like an answer almost designed in a lab to infuriate every last Republican primary voter.

It’s an odd but observable pattern that seems to be the result of someone coaching him to attack or blame Trump in nearly every answer he gives, regardless of the context or issue at hand, even in an ill-advised pre-taped interview with a corporate media outlet like NBC and a hack like Burns, whom DeSantis should have known would present his answers in the worst possible light.

The plain truth is that no issue is more important for DeSantis (and the entire GOP field) than the 2020 election, and if he wants to be the nominee he’d better come up with a better answer than, “Yeah 2020 had some problems but they were all Trump’s fault.” As I argued in these pages recently, DeSantis has zero chance of winning the primary unless he acknowledges unequivocally that 2020 was rigged and vows to go to war against the system that rigged it. He shouldn’t be attacking Trump on this front, but the deep state-Democrat-Big Tech machine that took Trump out. It’s his only path to the nomination, yet he has refused thus far to follow it.
He is a politician and therefore part of the problem
 

SamSpade

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The war in Ukraine MAY possibly end - with the departure of Putin. It's the one way they can save face and back out of a very ill-conceived idea.
If he dies or is somehow deposed, his successor may be a real badass - but he might decide, you know what, eff this, Putin was a fool and he was losing his mind - let's leave Afghanistan oops I mean Ukraine and just be DONE with it.

Because Ukraine isn't going to surrender its land - nor should they - and Russia won't leave without SOMETHING after all the blood and treasure they've wasted there.

ONE good thing may come of this - we may realize that Russian's vast supply of nuclear weapons is, after all - a paper tiger. Like the quadium bomb of "The Mouse That Roared" - (in case you haven't read it or seen the movie - a doomsday bomb that doesn't work but no one knows it) - his vast nuclear arsenal MAY be mostly useless. Putin might do just about anything to keep that secret from coming out.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
During an interview with NBC News on Monday, 2024 Republican presidential candidate Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis stated that the 2020 election was poorly run, but we had mass mail-in balloting because “Trump turned the government over to Fauci, they embraced lockdowns, they did the CARES Act, which funded mail-in ballots across the country. Donald Trump signed that bill that funded the mail ballots that all the Republicans have been so concerned about.” And that the censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story “was Donald Trump’s FBI that was working with that.”

DeSantis said, “Whoever puts their hand on the Bible on January 20 every four years is the winner. And I don’t think the election — and I pointed out in that same [quotation]…when they changed the rules for COVID, I think that was wrong. I think some of those changes were unconstitutional. When they do mass mail ballots, I think that’s wrong. I think ballot harvesting is wrong. I think the Zuckerbucks were wrong. I think the fact that the FBI was working with Facebook and these other tech companies to censor the Hunter Biden story was wrong. And so, I don’t think it was the perfect election. I remember after, a lot of the media was saying, this was the most secure election in history. How could it be the most secure with those millions of mail ballots going out? [At] the same time, at the time, after the election, they were talking about Maduro stealing votes on the voting machines or whatever, and none of those theories proved to be true.”




 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Top DeSantis Ally Threatens to Tank Trump in General Election, Help Biden Win








Mitchell’s plan to thwart Trump in the general election appears to be aligned with his pledge to “work with every ounce of my being to help Gov. DeSantis win the nomination and the presidency,” as he claimed when he announced his support for the Florida governor.

Former Trump campaign official Kaelan Dorr criticized DeSantis over Mitchell’s remarks, telling Breitbart News “It’s a really bad strategy on the Ron camp’s part to elevate these surrogates and rewarding them with interviews.”

“It should come as no surprise that Bill Mitchell, who is only notable for changing his mind and taking people’s money for a fictitious ‘studio,’ has changed his mind and has made it his sole purpose to stop a Republican from being President,” Dorr added. “You’ve heard of ‘3D chess,’ before – Bill and other “influencers” simping for this outcome are only capable of calculus that is the equivalent of 0.5D Chess”

Mitchell’s comments come as anti-woke businessman Vivek Ramaswamy overtook DeSantis for second place, according to a Kaplan poll. That poll also found Trump is ahead of DeSantis by 38 points.

Mitchell’s unusual strategy is just his latest effort to attack the Trump campaign as his preferred candidate declines in the polls. This week, Mitchell hosted the notorious anti-Trump online influencer Brian Krassenstein on his Your Voice America podcast.

Mitchell called Trump “a very troubled candidate,” and doubted the legitimacy of allegedly “deceptive” polls that consistently put Trump atop the Republican primary field with a commanding lead.
 
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