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[Penn]

Court OKs ‘under God’ in Pledge of Allegiance - Crime & courts- msnbc.com

SAN FRANCISCO - A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."

Alright! It's about time that they validated it!

 

[kom526]

SAN FRANCISCO - A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."

Alright! It's about time that they validated it!

Shouldn't that be LACK ofreligious beliefs?


From the 9th circuit no less, maybe there is hope. (and not that Obama snake oil kind)

 

[Penn]

If I recall correctly this guy was biatching and moaning about the fact that his daughter was saying the Pledge, but in the meantime --she--had no problems in reciting it while in her classroom.

Glad the court has taken this action!

 

[preselector]

I beg to disagree. My ancestors fought if the Civil War (for the South). My father was a USAF lifer and served in Vietnam. I worked for the Navy for 31 years. I sing the Anthem at sporting events (badly but with fevor) and put my hand over my heart. I'm proud to be an American. I'm also agnostic; aka a non-believer. Which means I can't say the Pledge as is without also being a liar/hypocrite. Why do you take pleasure in preventing me from expressing my loyality to these great United States of America?

BTW, did you know that the author of the Pledge was both Christian and SOCIALIST?
Pledge of Allegiance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TurboK9]

I beg to disagree. My ancestors fought if the Civil War (for the South). My father was a USAF lifer and served in Vietnam. I worked for the Navy for 31 years. I sing the Anthem at sporting events (badly but with fevor) and put my hand over my heart. I'm proud to be an American. I'm also agnostic; aka a non-believer. Which means I can't say the Pledge as is without also being a liar/hypocrite. Why do you take pleasure in preventing me from expressing my loyality to these great United States of America?

BTW, did you know that the author of the Pledge was both Christian and SOCIALIST?
Pledge of Allegiance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Um, if you are agnostic then you believe that any God is unknown or unknowable. It doesn't mean you don't believe in god, it means that you don't have a commitment to what or who god is or if there is one or there may be many.... in other words, you simply don't know. As such, I fail to see how saying the words in the pledge are hypocritical... unless you are in fact an atheist...

Main Entry: 1 ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>

— ag·nos·ti·cism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun

 

[royhobie]

Thank "GOD" the Court knew what was the right thing to do! Not done yet. ACLU is sure to take it the the Supreme Court. Those left wing radicals are sure to over turn it!! Then Congress will make a lot of talk that they will take action and make sure it can never be taken out. Of course we all know that Congress does nothing, unless that is if they can find some foreigners they can give our money to!!!

 

[ImnoMensa]

I beg to disagree. My ancestors fought if the Civil War (for the South). My father was a USAF lifer and served in Vietnam. I worked for the Navy for 31 years. I sing the Anthem at sporting events (badly but with fevor) and put my hand over my heart. I'm proud to be an American. I'm also agnostic; aka a non-believer. Which means I can't say the Pledge as is without also being a liar/hypocrite. Why do you take pleasure in preventing me from expressing my loyality to these great United States of America?

BTW, did you know that the author of the Pledge was both Christian and SOCIALIST?
Pledge of Allegiance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you too stupid to leave out the part you dont agree with?

Shouldnt be too hard just to skip over two words.

 

[preselector]

Um, if you are agnostic then you believe that any God is unknown or unknowable. It doesn't mean you don't believe in god, it means that you don't have a commitment to what or who god is or if there is one or there may be many.... in other words, you simply don't know. As such, I fail to see how saying the words in the pledge are hypocritical... unless you are in fact an atheist...

Main Entry: 1 ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>

— ag·nos·ti·cism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun

Agnostic: a person who believes that one cannot know whether there is a God or an ultimate cause... (Webster, Home Library, 2nd Concise Edition, 1978)

It's a subtle but significant difference in definitions. If I don't know there is a God, how can I pledge to be under Him without expressing an untruth? Even though I'm a Southerner by heritage and raising, I much prefer the original 'indivisible'.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

 

[preselector]

Are you too stupid to leave out the part you dont agree with?

Shouldnt be too hard just to skip over two words.

It isn't and I do. Or substitute the word 'indivisible'.

As far as 'stupid' is concerned, what part of 'as is' didn't you understand?

 

[ImnoMensa]

It isn't and I do. Or substitute the word 'indivisible'.

As far as 'stupid' is concerned, what part of 'as is' didn't you understand?

The context you put the "as is" in was indicative of you not being able to say the pledge at all.

So leave out the part you dont like and quit #####ing. Believe me nobody cares.

 

[preselector]

The context you put the "as is" in was indicative of you not being able to say the pledge at all.

So leave out the part you dont like and quit #####ing. Believe me nobody cares.

I wasn't #####ing. The original question, paraphrased for clarity, is why do believers take apparent pleasure in excluding non-believers from the Pledge. The general lack of a response to the question and specific insult from you provides the answer.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Shouldn't that be LACK ofreligious beliefs?

Exactly! I say we take all his money from him because it has "In God we trust" on it.
We should also sue him for disrespecting the religious beliefs of those who have them. This is where people pi$$ me off! Stand up to this moron and tell him: That's how the Pledge goes. If you don't like it, don't say "under God" when you recite it, but we're not going to change it JUST for you!!!!