Bill ayers calls rahm emanuel 'right-wing troglody
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Larry Gude
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just how far left is Bill A, past Uncle Joe [Stalin]
Instead of laughing, we might do well to consider what he is saying and put it in context of something useful.
I mean, for starters, it sounds accurate to me and, further, it is rather timely because this mornings 'great thought' I wanted to write about was the nature of power in America, what it is and what it is supposed to be and when you talk of power, Rahm's name comes up readily because he is known as very tough and hard nosed.
I don't think it wise to readily compliment someone like Rahm, no matter how faintly, whom I consider dangerous, just because someone perhaps more dangerous, insulted him. For one, it changes nothing about Rahm, and, for two hands him, Rahm, a free pass for what he's done and does.
Further, Ayers, if nothing else, is a known quantity, agree or not, we DO know what he thinks and why and thereby can at the very least debate on those grounds. We can't say the same about Emmanuel. And I'm a damn sight less concerned with a leftist ideologue who I understand and is NOT in any position of public power than I am over a strong man, totally unafraid of using power who I know very, very little about.
All I know about RAHM is he was on Obama Staff, and a Right Winger he is NOT
He May be a Statist, or a Fascist [remember Stalin started calling people he wanted to get rid of / people who challenged his Power, Fascists - Trotsky was called a Fascist ... ] aka Totalitarian ....... but he is for Freedom and Self Governance ..... or more of the GOV is the answer ... crowd
think about that for a Moment, he was Obama's Chief of Staff ...
so for Ayres to call Rahm a Right Winger is just a continuation of what Stalin started in the 1920's - and what Progressives picked up on, and Continued
this is how we ended up with Fascists = Right Wing,
He May be a Statist, or a Fascist [remember Stalin started calling people he wanted to get rid of / people who challenged his Power, Fascists - Trotsky was called a Fascist ... ] aka Totalitarian ....... but he is for Freedom and Self Governance ..... or more of the GOV is the answer ... crowd
think about that for a Moment, he was Obama's Chief of Staff ...
so for Ayres to call Rahm a Right Winger is just a continuation of what Stalin started in the 1920's - and what Progressives picked up on, and Continued
this is how we ended up with Fascists = Right Wing,
Instead of laughing, we might do well to consider what he is saying and put it in context of something useful.
I mean, for starters, it sounds accurate to me and, further, it is rather timely because this mornings 'great thought' I wanted to write about was the nature of power in America, what it is and what it is supposed to be and when you talk of power, Rahm's name comes up readily because he is known as very tough and hard nosed.
I don't think it wise to readily compliment someone like Rahm, no matter how faintly, whom I consider dangerous, just because someone perhaps more dangerous, insulted him. For one, it changes nothing about Rahm, and, for two hands him, Rahm, a free pass for what he's done and does.
Further, Ayers, if nothing else, is a known quantity, agree or not, we DO know what he thinks and why and thereby can at the very least debate on those grounds. We can't say the same about Emmanuel. And I'm a damn sight less concerned with a leftist ideologue who I understand and is NOT in any position of public power than I am over a strong man, totally unafraid of using power who I know very, very little about.
...and to think that Lucianne.com had a picture of Hillary on it's main page this morning, so I was more or less (albeit, much less) pondering the same thought. I was ruminating over the ever present rumors of her future presidential aspirations & wondering how things might have been different today had she won the 2008 Democratic nomination instead of the current officeholder.
Larry Gude
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...and to think that Lucianne.com had a picture of Hillary on it's main page this morning, so I was more or less (albeit, much less) pondering the same thought. I was ruminating over the ever present rumors of her future presidential aspirations & wondering how things might have been different today had she won the 2008 Democratic nomination instead of the current officeholder.
Given how much things today are like they were under the previous administration, it is reasonable to assume that major things, the wars, Fed policy, Wall Street support, the Stimulus, gas prices, immigration, some sort of federal health care deal, would still have occurred. So, in terms of real differences, anh.
Past that, the right would mostly have gone back to reviling Hillary and Bill, personal attacks, rehashing all the vile things they did their first time around and probably be lamenting how maybe it would have been better had Obama won.
What do you think would be substantively different?
SamSpade
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My not terribly expert opinion on statists and fascists is that they ALWAYS, always, always, portray themselves as sympathetic to the desires of the *PEOPLE* over the will of the powerful, so as to distance their own motives from the ranks of the powerful. This is how they always gain power; they're populists first.
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czygvtwkr
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Larry
Politics have always been that way from the point that people stopped being led by the guy who killed the last guy in charge. Stephen Douglas called Abraham Lincoln a shaved ape.
Larry Gude
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What does that have to do with policy? Aren't we talking about policy here or, are we truly only interested in personalities????
Abraham Lincoln was decidedly different, in terms of policy, than James Buchanan. Ronald Reagan was very different, in terms of policy, than Jimmy Carter. George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama are, substantively, the same.
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czygvtwkr
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Ahem
IIRC Ayers was of the same ilk, 'The Weatherman' was some Marxist revolutionary - over through the GOV group in the 60's