St. Mary's ranks #2 in heroin overdose deaths

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
I was shocked when my teenaged son told me not long ago how prevalent heroin is around here..how cheap and easy to get. He said that's why its quickly become a "drug of choice"..low cost and easy availability.

Never thought I would see the day when St. Mary's had so many destructive and potentially lethal drugs so easy to obtain by school kids.
 

Roman

Active Member
As one who listens to the Calvert scanner a lot, I imagine Calvert Co is high on the list (pardon my pun). I heard an O.D. call last night- not an uncommon call.
The drug of choice in Calvert County seems to be Percocet, and other Opiates. OD's happen here all the time, and it's sad because many of the young people think they are invinceable. When I was a medic, I rarely had a shift where there wasn't an OD.
 

acommondisaster

Active Member
The drug of choice in Calvert County seems to be Percocet, and other Opiates. OD's happen here all the time, and it's sad because many of the young people think they are invinceable. When I was a medic, I rarely had a shift where there wasn't an OD.

Percocet and opiates may be the drug of CHOICE, but when it gets too expensive (and it usually does), heroin is just as easy to get and cheaper.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
I was shocked when my teenaged son told me not long ago how prevalent heroin is around here..how cheap and easy to get. He said that's why its quickly become a "drug of choice"..low cost and easy availability.

Never thought I would see the day when St. Mary's had so many destructive and potentially lethal drugs so easy to obtain by school kids.

Sheriff Cameron is very frank about the drug problem. One huge impediment to dealing with it is the people, nobody wants to admit it's in their neighborhood, in their school There is a lot of finger pointing (and tongue wagging) about "those people". If you include alcohol, the number one issue in this county is drug addiction.

The "treatment" is to throw the user in jail for a few months. Which lets them detox (if they don't die first). [recent death in SMC jail was an addict detoxing]. Most of the addicts going to jail aren't there for possession, there are a lot in jail for theft, theft of $100 or less. But because they have a prior record they get jail time.

After a short stay in jail they are turned back out onto the street - with a criminal record. County has little or no money for treatment.
 

acommondisaster

Active Member
Many of us would be surprised how many functioning addicts there are among us. They don't all look like the people we see in commercials about how drugs affect people, and they're not all close to passing out and sitting around with their eyes half closed and their mouths open. A LOT of addicts go to work and have cubicles right next to us.

For the average, functional person who is addicted - and maybe wanting to kick the addiction - there aren't a lot of resources available that wouldn't cause major set backs in their lives. So rather than seek help, they stay addicted until they ARE no longer functional.
 

Hank

my war
Start going after the doctors prescribing the pills. I just read a story about a girl getting 125 oxys prescribed to her and tried selling them right away. Thankfully, she was busted. What doctor prescribes that many at once? Craziness!
 

AnthonyJames

R.I.P. My Brother Rick
Start going after the doctors prescribing the pills. I just read a story about a girl getting 125 oxys prescribed to her and tried selling them right away. Thankfully, she was busted. What doctor prescribes that many at once? Craziness!

If she were to take four a day for chronic pain that's a one month supply. Every doctor prescribes that many at once if the patient needs them.

If you've ever known anyone who had cancer you'd know that's not crazy.

Don't punish the legitimate doctors and patients with chronic pain, that's just damned cruel. Punish the law breakers.
 

acommondisaster

Active Member
If she were to take four a day for chronic pain that's a one month supply. Every doctor prescribes that many at once if the patient needs them.

If you've ever known anyone who had cancer you'd know that's not crazy.

Don't punish the legitimate doctors and patients with chronic pain, that's just damned cruel. Punish the law breakers.

It doesn't sound like Hank's example was one of someone in legitimate pain.
 

OldHillcrestGuy

Well-Known Member
Start going after the doctors prescribing the pills. I just read a story about a girl getting 125 oxys prescribed to her and tried selling them right away. Thankfully, she was busted. What doctor prescribes that many at once? Craziness!

I mentioned in a previous thread this morning that I was at the meeting at the Northern Senoir Center last week, that Sheriff Cameron was at and this topic was brought up about the doctors and pharmacies and how people doctor hop and pharmacy hop. Question was asked if something could be done about some of the doctors who keep giving out pills, he sort of smiled and said he couldnt comment on this topic that it was a DEA thing.

I have had a back problem for about 4 years now, and have gone to two different pain management practices one in Waldorf and another in Prince Frederick, it was like night and day how their practices were run. Walldorf was out for the money and would prescribe pills very easily, and would give samples to take. It was like a production line, even when giving patients shots, every 15 minutes another one for shots, at about $1,000 a shot they were bringing in the money. Hardly did you speak with a doctor, they did do the shots, but on follow up visits you'd see some person not even a doctor who would ask how you were doing, if said you still had pain you could get another precription for it and see you nest month.
Prince Frederick was much more professional, you see a doctor or PA each time you visit, they gave the shots in the hospital annex. They do give out the drugs, but keep a much better tab of what you are taking and give you a drug test on random visit's.
I am on 3 different pain pills currently, I dont like taking them but I truly am in pain. Its taken quite awhile to find and try various treatments to avoid surgery, but now as a last resort am having the back surgery in 2 weeks, Ive had it with pain killers and shots in the back. Im excited to hopefully being pain free.
 

pelers

Active Member
Please reread my post, I think you missed my point.

I think that the doctor who prescribed that particular person those pills did not do their due diligence. Places that run a factory need to be checked into.

I was in a car wreck my senior year of high school. For six years I bounced from doctor to doctor, who all gave me pain pills and muscle relaxers (which I rarely took). Not a single one tried to actually FIX the problem. You know what fixed it? Six weeks of physical therapy.

I went in to the doctor a few months ago for another weird pain issue I was having. He immediately started to write out a prescription for painkillers. Didn't come within 5 feet of me to even check out the problem.

It's easier for doctors to just write a prescription than to actually try and practice medicine. Don't tell me that they only do it because that's what people want; that last doctor I told him I didn't want painkillers, I wanted to FIX the problem. He snapped at me "You said you were in pain, so I give you painkillers. What more do you want me to do?"
 

MarieB

New Member
Sheriff Cameron is very frank about the drug problem. One huge impediment to dealing with it is the people, nobody wants to admit it's in their neighborhood, in their school There is a lot of finger pointing (and tongue wagging) about "those people". If you include alcohol, the number one issue in this county is drug addiction.

The "treatment" is to throw the user in jail for a few months. Which lets them detox (if they don't die first). [recent death in SMC jail was an addict detoxing]. Most of the addicts going to jail aren't there for possession, there are a lot in jail for theft, theft of $100 or less. But because they have a prior record they get jail time.

After a short stay in jail they are turned back out onto the street - with a criminal record. County has little or no money for treatment.

So, the costs to keep one in prison is cheaper than a stint in detox/rehab? There is a thread in the Politics section about prisons. I was interested in the topic and looked up some stats. There are on average 26 prison employees for every 100 prisoners. Just think of the costs!


My mom and I were just talking about this the other day. She was a nurse in detox/rehab for years. There just doesn't seem to be much in the way of facilities now that actually treat addicted patients. The larger hospitals have gobbled up the smaller ones, and they tend to not offer those services any longer (at least where I am from).
 

Roman

Active Member
These Pill Mill Doctors will get busted very soon. I'm sure the DEA has their eye on many Pain Clinics in the area. These Docs are consumed by greed. What these addicts are doing, is going Pill Shopping in Washington D.C., and other areas. They aren't using their Insurance Cards because everything they buy, goes on record. The Doctor's DEA License to prescribe these "Pain Killers" is also being tracked.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
I mentioned in a previous thread this morning that I was at the meeting at the Northern Senoir Center last week, that Sheriff Cameron was at and this topic was brought up about the doctors and pharmacies and how people doctor hop and pharmacy hop. Question was asked if something could be done about some of the doctors who keep giving out pills, he sort of smiled and said he couldnt comment on this topic that it was a DEA thing.

I have had a back problem for about 4 years now, and have gone to two different pain management practices one in Waldorf and another in Prince Frederick, it was like night and day how their practices were run. Walldorf was out for the money and would prescribe pills very easily, and would give samples to take. It was like a production line, even when giving patients shots, every 15 minutes another one for shots, at about $1,000 a shot they were bringing in the money. Hardly did you speak with a doctor, they did do the shots, but on follow up visits you'd see some person not even a doctor who would ask how you were doing, if said you still had pain you could get another precription for it and see you nest month.
Prince Frederick was much more professional, you see a doctor or PA each time you visit, they gave the shots in the hospital annex. They do give out the drugs, but keep a much better tab of what you are taking and give you a drug test on random visit's.
I am on 3 different pain pills currently, I dont like taking them but I truly am in pain. Its taken quite awhile to find and try various treatments to avoid surgery, but now as a last resort am having the back surgery in 2 weeks, Ive had it with pain killers and shots in the back. Im excited to hopefully being pain free.

I know exactly where you're coming from. Over the years, my husband and I have gone from being very uncomfortable, to fairly excruciating pain. Our first pain management 'specialist' was one of those doctors. He ended up getting busted. We were lucky to be accepted by a new pain management office in PF. We were hearing that most of the other doctors patients were not being accepted by new doctors/pain management facilities. So, yes, we feel very lucky.

The group we're going to now is just like you describe. We had to sign an agreement, and we get random testing.

Now the biggest problem is when the pharmacy which we have our agreement with runs out of our medication. Sadly, the people who are getting the meds to peddle on the streets, make it hard for people who actually need it, to get it.

I'm glad you're getting the surgery. Maybe some day we'll be candidates, but right now they won't touch us.
 

AnthonyJames

R.I.P. My Brother Rick
i think that the doctor who prescribed that particular person those pills did not do their due diligence. Places that run a factory need to be checked into.

I was in a car wreck my senior year of high school. For six years i bounced from doctor to doctor, who all gave me pain pills and muscle relaxers (which i rarely took). Not a single one tried to actually fix the problem. You know what fixed it? Six weeks of physical therapy.

I went in to the doctor a few months ago for another weird pain issue i was having. He immediately started to write out a prescription for painkillers. Didn't come within 5 feet of me to even check out the problem.

It's easier for doctors to just write a prescription than to actually try and practice medicine. Don't tell me that they only do it because that's what people want; that last doctor i told him i didn't want painkillers, i wanted to fix the problem. He snapped at me "you said you were in pain, so i give you painkillers. What more do you want me to do?"

Would you deny a dying cancer patient access to pain medication because of this?
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
Would you deny a dying cancer patient access to pain medication because of this?

I don't see where he made any such suggestion. It appears to me he's simply pointing out a problem with how the meds are handed out willy nilly to anyone who says 'ouch'.
 

AnthonyJames

R.I.P. My Brother Rick
Start going after the doctors prescribing the pills. I just read a story about a girl getting 125 oxys prescribed to her and tried selling them right away. Thankfully, she was busted. What doctor prescribes that many at once? Craziness!

I don't see where he made any such suggestion. It appears to me he's simply pointing out a problem with how the meds are handed out willy nilly to anyone who says 'ouch'.

Please show me where he makes that distinction.
 
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