Oh, now its not okay to show the Hitler..

FromTexas

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Bush website uses campaign videos supported by moveon and others to create a clip on their website demonstrating what has been done against them. The libs cry foul and say Hitler should never be used in campaign videos or political recourse. I hear a cry of irony from the outfield.

Link on story
 

willie

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"We're using the video from MoveOn.org to show our supporters the type of vitriolic rhetoric being used by the president's opponents and John Kerry's surrogates," said Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign.

Sounds like a reasonable defensive play.
 

SamSpade

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He's been called fascist, nazi, Hitler, Stalin, a traitor and the GOP has been called the Taliban - all from very prominent Democratic leaders.

I can't believe that after ALL THAT, they're upset that someone is pointing out their remarks to others. You know, if you say something, you should MEAN it.
 

vraiblonde

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See the commercial

Al Gore is such an ass. Anyone who voted for him in 2000 should be deported.

The problem is that most Democrats will look at this video and go, "Yeah? So?" because that's what they genuinely think. If I sent this video to my grandmother, she'd insist that the clips were faked by the RNC, but my isn't that Al Gore a handsome and passionate man? :rolleyes:
 

Tonio

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Why don't we deport both sides, since both seem to be equally guilty of comparing their opposition to Hitler. That BS doesn't belong in politics. Same thing with calling one's opponent a communist or a fascist--it's the lowest form of scare tactic.
 

SamSpade

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When did Republicans compare someone to Hitler?

And I mean, Republican *leadership*, not some twit on this board.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by Tonio
Why don't we deport both sides, since both seem to be equally guilty of comparing their opposition to Hitler. That BS doesn't belong in politics. Same thing with calling one's opponent a communist or a fascist--it's the lowest form of scare tactic.
Tonio, you should stay out of the politics forums. You have this incredible zeal to never disagree with anyone or get involved in any kind of conflict and I find it offensive that you accuse conservatives of doing things that ONLY liberals are doing.

Who has compared John Kerry or ANY Democrat leader to Hitler?

And I think it's offensive that you chastise me (or anyone else) who calls a spade a spade, along with chastising liberals for calling George Bush Hitler.

GEORGE BUSH IS NOT HITLER. He's not even close. However, someone (like Valentino) who objects to differing opinions being "allowed" to be voiced does indeed have fascist tendencies. There is such a thing as right and wrong, you know, and words mean something.

A great example stands right here in this post. I suggested that you stay out of the politics forums, but I didn't ban you out of them. I am a conservative. Skinner over at the DU would have banned you outright for so much as disagreeing with him. He is a liberal. Get it now?
 

Spoiled

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Tonio, you should stay out of the politics forums. You have this incredible zeal to never disagree with anyone or get involved in any kind of conflict and I find it offensive that you accuse conservatives of doing things that ONLY liberals are doing.

Who has compared John Kerry or ANY Democrat leader to Hitler?

And I think it's offensive that you chastise me (or anyone else) who calls a spade a spade, along with chastising liberals for calling George Bush Hitler.

GEORGE BUSH IS NOT HITLER. He's not even close. However, someone (like Valentino) who objects to differing opinions being "allowed" to be voiced does indeed have fascist tendencies. There is such a thing as right and wrong, you know, and words mean something.

A great example stands right here in this post. I suggested that you stay out of the politics forums, but I didn't ban you out of them. I am a conservative. Skinner over at the DU would have banned you outright for so much as disagreeing with him. He is a liberal. Get it now?
or it maybe the fact that if you banned him it would just prove he is right? and you are owned
 

tlatchaw

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Originally posted by Spoiled Child
or it maybe the fact that if you banned him it would just prove he is right? and you are owned

Or maybe if you followed these boards for more than a few days you would know that there is CONSTANT disagreement and political argument here. The only people that ever get banned are the ones that get really nasty and personal or really pornographic.

Part of the reason that this message board is so good is because we can disagree and challenge each other without worry that we'll get edited out of existance. I know that this is a foreign concept to libero-facist types, but it really is possible to have intelligent conversations with people that don't see the world the way you do.
 

Spoiled

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Originally posted by tlatchaw
Or maybe if you followed these boards for more than a few days you would know that there is CONSTANT disagreement and political argument here. The only people that ever get banned are the ones that get really nasty and personal or really pornographic.

Part of the reason that this message board is so good is because we can disagree and challenge each other without worry that we'll get edited out of existance.
Hence the reason he isnt banned, the moderators here are good at their job... If he had been banned (he didnt post porn, or any of that stuff) it would have shown he was right...


then again i guess you may have not made that connection
 

rraley

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Here is a quote from the article about moveon.org's response to the Hitler ad on its website: "The group later said the entry was in "poor taste" and pulled it from its site." Moveon.org is not an officially Democratic group that John Kerry's campaign coordinates - it is an independent group that is to the left of John Kerry's politics. There are many groups on the right like the Club for Growth and Citizens United that have run ads that are highly controversial that play on the fears of 9/11 for President Bush (or they compare Bush to President Reagan, which his family did not approve of). These groups do not have to run candidates so they are somewhat free to do whatever the hell they want and their especially twisted and harsh ads are reflective of that.

As for ONLY Democrats comparing Republicans to the Taliban, communists, etc. Let me just ask the Republicans on the board here how many times they have thought of Democrats as communists, socialists, or Nazis? I recall many of the conservatives here calling Democrats Nazis for supporting gun control provisions such as background checks. When you can honestly say that you have NEVER done such a thing, you can criticize liberals for comparing Bush to Hitler.
 

rraley

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Speaking of comparing Democrats to bad people, I forgot how Republicans have sought to characterize all Democrats and liberals as terrorist sympathizers. When will the right disavow that?

What I am trying to prove is that this is all just a bunch of hot air that comes out in rhetoric and I think that we should debate real issues and not the damn mudslinging.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by rraley
Speaking of comparing Democrats to bad people, I forgot how Republicans have sought to characterize all Democrats and liberals as terrorist sympathizers.
When you sympathize with terrorists, that makes you a terrorist sympathizer. :dur:

Rod Paige likened the teacher's union to terrorists. Other than that, I haven't heard one single Republican in the public eye say anything of the sort about Democrats. WE on this forum have, but we're voicing our individual opinions, not representing any government or political party. Howard Dean and Al Gore, on the other hand, DO speak for Democrats, considering Democrats elected BOTH of them to public office.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by rraley
Moveon.org is not an officially Democratic group that John Kerry's campaign coordinates - it is an independent group that is to the left of John Kerry's politics.
No, they've just been responsible for funnelling millions of $$$ into Kerry's war chest. But, noooo - they're not a Democratic group. :rolleyes:

What's happened to you? You used to act like a sensible person.
 

rraley

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
When you sympathize with terrorists, that makes you a terrorist sympathizer. :dur:

Just how are Democrats "terrorist sympathizers?" I do recall that they support the war in Afghanistan and more Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq War Resolution that voted against it. I do believe that no one save a very extreme few like Dennis Kucinich on our side is advocating cutting and running in Iraq. We merely have different methods from the Republicans and the conservatives for dealing with terrorists.
 

rraley

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
No, they've just been responsible for funnelling millions of $$$ into Kerry's war chest. But, noooo - they're not a Democratic group. :rolleyes:

What's happened to you? You used to act like a sensible person.

All that I am saying is that they are legally prohibited from helping Kerry's campaign. Are there loopholes? yes. But there are many right leaning groups that do this as well so it should all balance out.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by rraley
All that I am saying is that they are legally prohibited from helping Kerry's campaign.
Apparently they're not, since they've spent so much money disparaging Bush, which certainly helps Kerry.
 

Spoiled

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Apparently they're not, since they've spent so much money disparaging Bush, which certainly helps Kerry.
As well as nader and anyone else running that isnt bush...
 

rraley

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Apparently they're not, since they've spent so much money disparaging Bush, which certainly helps Kerry.

Some would argue that it helps Ralph Nader who is the most different from Bush. I guess that moveon thinks that since George W. Bush is disparaging Kerry so much, they should balance it out some.
 
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