We Are the Last Defense Against Trump

tommyjo

New Member
According to the majority of posters on this site, our new pledge of allegiance should simply be "All hail King Trump"...this is where they already are and where they think the rest of us should be. Hopefully, more intelligent minds will prevail...like this one...


n the second half of the 20th century, the main threat to democracy came from the men in uniform. Fledgling democracies such as Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Thailand, and Turkey were set back by dozens of military coups. For emerging democracies hoping to ward off such military interventions into domestic politics, Western European and American institutions, which vested all political authority in the hands of elected civilian governments, were offered as the model to follow. They were the best way to ensure that democracy, as Juan Linz and Alfred Stepan famously put it, became “the only game in town.”

Far from most thinkers’ minds was whether Western institutions might be inviting a different threat to democracy — personal rule, in which civilian state institutions such as the bureaucracy and courts come under the direct control of the executive, and the lines between the state’s interests and those of the ruler begin to blur. Most believed personal rule was something that applied only to the worst of the tin-pot dictatorships, such as that of Mobutu Sese Seko in Zaire, Daniel arap Moi in Kenya, or Sani Abacha in Nigeria. The checks and balances built in the fabric of Western institutions, the thinking went, would withstand any such usurpation.

Yet today we are coming to discover that contemporary democracy has its own soft underbelly — not so much a weakness against a cabal of colonels conspiring a violent takeover of government, but the gutting of state institutions and the incipient establishment of a variant of personal rule. Examples of personal rule include Venezuela under Hugo Chavez, Russia under Vladimir Putin, and Turkey under Recep Tayyip Erdogan. These differ from the Mobutus, arap Mois and the Abachas of the world, because they are engineered by democratically elected leaders and maintain a much higher degree of legitimacy among some segments of the population But they still showcase how this process can irreparably damage institutions and hollow out democracy. Now, these examples are poised to include America under Donald Trump.

Trump appears to share several political goals and strategies with Chavez, Putin, and Erdogan. Like them, he seems to have little respect for the rule of law or the independence of state institutions, which he has tended to treat as impediments to his ability to exercise power. Like them, he has a blurred vision of national and personal interests. Like them, he has little patience with criticism and a long-established strategy of rewarding loyalty, which can be seen in his high-level appointments to date. This is all topped by an unwavering belief in his abilities.

It goes on from there...but here is the conclusion:

When the previously unthinkable becomes normalized, it is easy for many to lose, or at the very least ignore, their moral compass. How quickly Trump’s brand of anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric, off-the-cuff foreign policymaking, and systematic mixing of family and state are becoming accepted is more than a cause for passing concern.

We have to keep reminding ourselves that we do not live in normal times, that the future of our much cherished institutions depends not on others but on ourselves, and that we are all individually responsible for our institutions. If we lose them to a would-be strongman, we have only ourselves to blame. We are the last defense.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/18/we-are-the-last-defense-against-trump-institutions/
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
The next four years is going to test the limits of physics to see just how many people can get out just how far on the longest branch they can find.

A LOT of people are going to NEED Trump to start lining people up and dumping them in ditches or they gonna have a lot of 'splainin to do.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
A LOT of people are going to NEED Trump to start lining people up and dumping them in ditches or they gonna have a lot of 'splainin to do.

They have never had to explain in the past when their dire doomsday predictions didn't come even remotely true - why start now?
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
They have never had to explain in the past when their dire doomsday predictions didn't come even remotely true - why start now?

Comparatively speaking, the objections and protest against 43, against 41, Reagan, Newt, even Limbaugh pale, very much, in comparison to the histrionics and general losing of ones #### we see going on today. Furthermore, if there was objection to, say, Dubbya because he wanted war, especially in Iraq, insofar as that was clearly true, there was actual basis for concern. Comparable psychotic over reactions to Reagan's comments off camera of 'we begin bombing..." was unreasonable but NOT unfounded given the expansion of our military and their attempts to keep up. Russia did, logistically speaking, in terms of our growing capabilities, have reason to be fearful. Likewise, 41 DID take us to war and war CAN spiral out of control. They all conformed to neoconservative philosophy of peace through strength and exercising it once in awhile is a good thing.

trump is NOTHING of the kind. He is NOT a neocon. He has no Mein Kampf. He is, flat out, a business guy and deal maker be it Putin or Pol Pot or Stalin or Hitler or the Saudi Royals. He sees peace through mutual business interest. So, the point is that the distance between sound reasons to fear him AND his actual intentions is completely unhinged from reality. THAT is dangerous, too. They are MUCH further out on the limb and in far greater numbers than in the past. They're going to NEED justification for this OR risk completely marginalizing themselves, crying wolf FAR too much. People who make themselves fools can have a sense of humor about it. People who make themselves seem insane start to NEED something to justify it.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Love this bit.....

"How quickly Trump’s brand of anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric,"

He's demonstrably not against immigrants, but illegal ones. Not against Muslims, just the radical (you can argue the point that all devout ones have to be, but millions upon millions go to work and school and do not ever kill anyone) ones who bomb cafes and toss acid in little kids faces. Just yesterday, talking to our wounded warrior intern, he mentioned that so many folks dont understand the casual evil of men who would toss boiling water on a young (10 years old) boy whose only crime was to go watch American soldiers build a culvert. "Talk to the Americans, pay the price". Boiling water tossed onto a 10 year old boy. Anyone who wants to call that okay, I dont want in my country.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Love this bit.....

"How quickly Trump’s brand of anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric,"

He's demonstrably not against immigrants, but illegal ones. Not against Muslims, just the radical (you can argue the point that all devout ones have to be, but millions upon millions go to work and school and do not ever kill anyone) ones who bomb cafes and toss acid in little kids faces. Just yesterday, talking to our wounded warrior intern, he mentioned that so many folks dont understand the casual evil of men who would toss boiling water on a young (10 years old) boy whose only crime was to go watch American soldiers build a culvert. "Talk to the Americans, pay the price". Boiling water tossed onto a 10 year old boy. Anyone who wants to call that okay, I dont want in my country.

When the written rules say make them convert or kill or enslave them, when the rules say change their government to Sharia law.
When some believe in wearing clothes that hide identity, women have no rights, honor killings.

How are we supposed to pick the mild from the radical.
This one has to wear a scarf, this one a Burka, the next one wears nothing.
One leads a woman's march in Washington Dc, whole others in their own country have their clitoris cut off , are stoned, and cannot speak at all.
And the one who led the march isn't protesting how women are treated in her country, she is protesting how they are treated here.

WTF is going on.?
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Oh, I agreee, that's why he's wanting to stop the flow til we can figure out how to sort the suicide bombing kind from the non-suicide bombing kind.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
According to the majority of posters on this site, our new pledge of allegiance should simply be "All hail King Trump"..


Dear God - what a load of #### - we all knew who Trump was - but Hillary was SO MUCH WORSE...

.this is where they already are and where they think the rest of us should be. Hopefully, more intelligent minds will prevail...like this one...

Intelligent minds - like *yours*? Sorry - insufficient proof.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Redundancy is Good.

Not always. For instance, are we a nation of law law? Or should I cease stop? That could lead to go go. Or small shrimp. To say 'sharia' is to say 'a system of law based on the Koran'. We're not talking one is none/two is one here. :buddies:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
According to the majority of posters on this site, our new pledge of allegiance should simply be "All hail King Trump"...this is where they already are and where they think the rest of us should be. Hopefully, more intelligent minds will prevail...like this one...

We have to keep reminding ourselves that we do not live in normal times, that the future of our much cherished institutions depends not on others but on ourselves, and that we are all individually responsible for our institutions. If we lose them to a would-be strongman, we have only ourselves to blame. We are the last defense.

Have you gone out and bought your stockpile of firearms yet? :rolleyes:
 
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PsyOps

Pixelated
Not always. For instance, are we a nation of law law? Or should I cease stop? That could lead to go go. Or small shrimp. To say 'sharia' is to say 'a system of law based on the Koran'. We're not talking one is none/two is one here. :buddies:

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