You will be made to care, part...oh, god!

BOP

Well-Known Member
You can't make this crap up. Okay, liberals can make all kinds of crap up, including the idea that people are violating anti-discrimination ordinances - on their own private property by not allowing gay weddings. And probably goat and german shepherd weddings as well.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/31/city-cant-sell-blueberries-unless-affirm-gay-marriage.html

Last year, someone posted a message on Country Mill’s Facebook page inquiring about whether they hosted same-sex weddings at the farm.

Tennes told the individual they did not permit same-sex marriages on the farm because of the family’s Catholic belief that marriage is a sacramental union between one man and one woman.

City officials later discovered the Facebook posting and began immediate action to remove Country Mill from the Farmer’s Market – alleging the family had violated the city’s discrimination ordinance.
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
I wish it was made up, sha-BOP, but, sadly it is not. It is going to get worse. God bless, America.
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
How is it difficult to understand they are running a business on their farm? If you run a business you need to accommodate everyone. Would you feel the same if they said no weddings for blacks? Or what if it was a Muslim family that ran the farm and they refused a Christian couple. You would be screaming about Sharia law
 

acommondisaster

Active Member
How is it difficult to understand they are running a business on their farm? If you run a business you need to accommodate everyone. Would you feel the same if they said no weddings for blacks? Or what if it was a Muslim family that ran the farm and they refused a Christian couple. You would be screaming about Sharia law

They'll sell to anyone at the Farmer's Market, regardless of the customers beliefs or preferences. It doesnt go against their religion. East Lansing is intolerant of their religion by not allowing them to sell to everyone because of their beliefs. Will East Lansing let Muslims sell at the Farmer's Market, even though they do not agree with same sex marriages?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
If you run a business you need to accommodate everyone.

Sap, that's just not "freedom". People have the right to be stupid and run their business poorly. People have the right to discriminate. People have the right NOT to discriminate. People have the right to only sell black cars. People have the right to stock products only some people will use (how many non-whites go to tanning salons? How many non-blacks use Wen hair conditioner?).

This is ok. If the business model fails, then they will have learned a lesson.

The government may not discriminate (well, they do routinely, but they shouldn't). But, you, me, Bob, Carol, Ted, and Alice may all discriminate. And, Kathy Griffin may - legally - cut the head off of the president in effigy. And, society does as it will and controls these actions - Kathy is fired, Chick-fil-A loses every dime they could have earned on Sundays if they were just open, people told ADT they would not purchase their products if they continued to advertise on CNN when CNN kept Kathy on the payroll, Debbie Shultz had to quit as head of the DNC when caught "fixing" the DNC primary, Marv Albert was fired, etc., etc., etc.

Freedom is great - but what free people do will not make everyone happy.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
The city of East Lansing warned Tennes that not allowing same-sex weddings on his farm went against a city ordinance, but the city was powerless to enforce it against Tennes since he in fact lived outside of East Lansing. Instead, the city attempted to pressure Tennes not to sell his products at the city's farmers' market to supposedly prevent riots from happening. Tennes did so anyway in August and no riots occurred.

In 2017, East Lansing changed its permit policy, forcing Tennes to submit a new application for a permit. The permit was denied under the rationale that the farm violated "East Lansing’s civil rights ordinances and public policy against discrimination as set forth in Chapter 22 of the City Code and outlined in the 2017 market vendor guidelines."

The mayor of East Lansing, Mark Meadows, told the Lansing State Journal, "This is about them operating a business that discriminates against LGBT individuals and that's a whole different issue."

Tennes is now filing a lawsuit against East Lansing; he is being represented by Alliance Defending Freedom.

The organization's lead counsel, Kate Anderson, told the Lansing State Journal, "They are running their farm according to their beliefs, which is the right of every American. What is wrong here is the city of East Lansing targeting them and trying to discriminate against them for acting upon their beliefs and for believing."


City Bans Farmer From Farmers' Market Due To His Views On Gay Marriage, So He's Fighting Back.



Hmmm Hosting Weddings and Selling Goods at a Farmers Market in another township ....



http://dailysignal.com/2017/05/31/t...-city-has-banned-him-from-the-farmers-market/


East Lansing city officials determined that these public statements violated the city’s 1972 human relations ordinance prohibiting discrimination. That law was the first in the state to recognize sexual orientation as a protected class from discrimination.

But this brought up a jurisdictional issue on top of First Amendment concerns, the farmer’s lawsuit says.

East Lansing, the complaint says, “has no authority to enforce its ordinance based on Tennes’ religious beliefs and their impact on how he operates Country Mill.” The farm, it says, is 22 miles outside the city.
 
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awpitt

Main Streeter
They'll sell to anyone at the Farmer's Market, regardless of the customers beliefs or preferences. It doesnt go against their religion. East Lansing is intolerant of their religion by not allowing them to sell to everyone because of their beliefs. Will East Lansing let Muslims sell at the Farmer's Market, even though they do not agree with same sex marriages?

It's one thing to disagree with same sex marriage; however, it's something different when you refuse service to same sex couples at your wedding venue. I'm sure East Lansing not let Muslims sell at the Farmer's Market if the Muslims were refusing to do business with same sex couples at the home business.
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
Hmmm Hosting Weddings and Selling Goods at a Farmers Market in another township ....

I guess it all depends on what Chapter 22 of the City Code says and what's actually outlined in the 2017 market vendor guidelines. If the city applies those guidelines equally to everyone wanting to sell at the Farmers market, Tennes might have a hard case to win.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Can the city discriminate against the farm because of their religious belief? Or can anyone sell at the Farmer's Market?
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Which is one scenario your ilk never attempts.

If it violates their faith, then go elsewhere.

They are white and they are Catholic.
It's easy to screw them over.

America no longer cares for whites or Christians.
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
Can the city discriminate against the farm because of their religious belief?

No and that's not what's happening. Apparently, the Tennes' business practices (actions not beliefs) are in violation of the City Code and the Farmers Market Guidelines.


Or can anyone sell at the Farmer's Market?

My understanding is that anyone can sell at the Farmer's Market as long as comply with the City Code and the Farmer's Market Guidelines.

It would helpful if those two documents were online somewhere so we could all see what the actual rules are.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
No and that's not what's happening. Apparently, the Tennes' business practices (actions not beliefs) are in violation of the City Code and the Farmers Market Guidelines.




My understanding is that anyone can sell at the Farmer's Market as long as comply with the City Code and the Farmer's Market Guidelines.

It would helpful if those two documents were online somewhere so we could all see what the actual rules are.

Obviously this little town can make up their city codes any time to please any situation.
So they just made up the code to keep this white, Christian family out of their market.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
I guess it all depends on what Chapter 22 of the City Code says and what's actually outlined in the 2017 market vendor guidelines. If the city applies those guidelines equally to everyone wanting to sell at the Farmers market, Tennes might have a hard case to win.


the FARM is not in the City Limits
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
My understanding is that anyone can sell at the Farmer's Market as long as comply with the City Code and the Farmer's Market Guidelines.


guidelines changed in 2017 to Target / Persecute the Farms Owners ......
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
How is it difficult to understand they are running a business on their farm? If you run a business you need to accommodate everyone. Would you feel the same if they said no weddings for blacks? Or what if it was a Muslim family that ran the farm and they refused a Christian couple. You would be screaming about Sharia law

I would discriminate against you, not because you're a gay black man, but because I think you're an idiot.
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
the FARM is not in the City Limits

Does not matter. The farm could be in Texas but if they want to sell at the East Lansing Farmer's Market, they agree to comply with the Farmer's market Guidelines and thus the City Code.

https://www.cityofeastlansing.com/357/Vendor-Application

https://www.cityofeastlansing.com/DocumentCenter/View/4621 Section 6) m. to be exact which refers to Appendix B

Complying with the City of East Lansing’s Civil Rights ordinances and the public policy against discrimination contained in Chapter 22 of the East Lansing City Code while at the ELFM and as a general business practice. (Appendix B)
The bolded text refers to their farm.


Appendix B https://www.cityofeastlansing.com/DocumentCenter/View/5717 Section 22 - 35 Public Accommodations or Services
 
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