Fundamentalism, racism, fear and propaganda: An insider explains why rural, Christian white America

Sapidus

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Interesting article about why rural Christians vote against their own self interests:


The honest truths that rural, Christian, white Americans don’t want to accept and until they do nothing is going to change, are:

-Their economic situation is largely the result of voting for supply-side economic policies that have been the largest redistribution of wealth from the bottom/middle to the top in U.S. history.

-Immigrants haven’t taken their jobs. If all immigrants, legal or otherwise, were removed from the U.S., our economy would come to a screeching halt and prices on food would soar.

-Immigrants are not responsible for companies moving their plants overseas. Almost exclusively white business owners are the ones responsible because they care more about their share holders who are also mostly white than they do American workers.

-No one is coming for their guns. All that has been proposed during the entire Obama administration is having better background checks.

-Gay people getting married is not a threat to their freedom to believe in whatever white God you want to. No one is going to make their church marry gays, make gays your pastor, accept gays for membership.

-Women having access to birth control doesn’t affect their life either, especially women who they complain about being teenage, single mothers.

-Blacks are not “lazy moochers living off their hard earned tax dollars” anymore than many of your fellow rural neighbors. People in need are people in need. People who can’t find jobs because of their circumstances, a changing economy, outsourcing overseas, etc. belong to all races.

-They get a tremendous amount of help from the government they complain does nothing for them. From the roads and utility grids they use to the farm subsidies, crop insurance, commodities protections…they benefit greatly from government assistance. The Farm Bill is one of the largest financial expenditures by the U.S. government. Without government assistance, their lives would be considerably worse.

-They get the largest share of Food Stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security.

-They complain about globalization but line up like everyone else to get the latest Apple product. They have no problem buying foreign-made guns, scopes, and hunting equipment. They don’t think twice about driving trucks whose engine was made in Canada, tires made in Japan, radio made in Korea, computer parts made in Malaysia.

-They use illicit drugs as much as any other group. But, when other people do it is a “moral failing” and they should be severely punished, legally. When they do it, it is a “health crisis” that needs sympathy and attention.

-When jobs dry up for whatever reasons, they refuse to relocate but lecture the poor in places like Flint for staying in towns that are failing.

-They are quick to judge minorities for being “welfare moochers” but don’t think twice about cashing their welfare check every month.

-They complain about coastal liberals, but the taxes from California and New York are what covers their farm subsidies, helps maintain their highways, and keeps their hospitals in their sparsely populated areas open for business.

-They complain about “the little man being run out of business” then turn around and shop at big box stores.

-They make sure outsiders are not welcome, deny businesses permits to build, then complain about businesses, plants opening up in less rural areas.

-Government has not done enough to help them in many cases but their local and state governments are almost completely Republican and so too are their representatives and senators. Instead of holding them accountable, they vote them in over and over and over again.

-All the economic policies and ideas that could help rural America belong to the Democratic Party: raising the minimum wage, strengthening unions, infrastructure spending, reusable energy growth, slowing down the damage done by climate change, healthcare reform…all of these and more would really help a lot of rural Americans.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/fun...al-christian-white-america-will-never-change/
 

vraiblonde

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Yeah, spoken like a true elitist doucheknot who needs to pull his head out of his clueless ass.
 

Sapidus

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Yeah, spoken like a true elitist doucheknot who needs to pull his head out of his clueless ass.

You just proved his point.


At some point during the discussion, “That’s your education talking,” will be said, derogatorily, as a general dismissal of everything I said. if you are viewed as an outsider, your views are automatically discounted. I’ve had hundreds of discussions with rural white Americans and whenever I present them any information that contradicts their entrenched beliefs, no matter how sound, how unquestionable, how obvious, they WILL NOT even entertain the possibility it might be true. Their refusal is a result of the nature of their fundamentalist belief system and the fact I’m the enemy because I’m an educated liberal.

I grew up in rural, Christian, white America. You’d be hard-pressed to find an area in the country that has a higher percentage of Christians or whites. I spent most of the first 24 years of my life deeply embedded in this culture.
 

Restitution

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You just proved his point.


At some point during the discussion, “That’s your education talking,” will be said, derogatorily, as a general dismissal of everything I said. if you are viewed as an outsider, your views are automatically discounted. I’ve had hundreds of discussions with rural white Americans and whenever I present them any information that contradicts their entrenched beliefs, no matter how sound, how unquestionable, how obvious, they WILL NOT even entertain the possibility it might be true. Their refusal is a result of the nature of their fundamentalist belief system and the fact I’m the enemy because I’m an educated liberal.

I grew up in rural, Christian, white America. You’d be hard-pressed to find an area in the country that has a higher percentage of Christians or whites. I spent most of the first 24 years of my life deeply embedded in this culture.

Something about your posts, ways of conveying your message, and just general attitude seems soooooo familiar. Hmmmmmmmm......
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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I grew up in rural, Christian, white America.

You’d be hard-pressed to find an area in the country that has a higher percentage of Christians or whites. :twitch:



I present them any information that contradicts their entrenched beliefs, no matter how sound, how unquestionable, how obvious,


Right Global Climate Warming Change is SOOOOOO Obvious .....




:shocking:
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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Interesting article about why rural Christians vote against their own self interests:


The honest truths that rural, Christian, white Americans don’t want to accept ......

based on who's world view Sparky ....... :shrug:
Yours, Pelosi's, Ron Paul, Neil Gorsuch, Charmin Mao, Comrade Stalin, Woodrow Wilson, Obama, Tip O'Neil, Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, Lech Walesa ....



:bs: -No one is coming for their guns. All that has been proposed during the entire Obama administration is having better background checks.

NONE of the so called new Gun Control Measures would have prevented ANY of the mass shootings in the last 20 yrs

-Women having access to birth control doesn’t affect their life either, especially women who they complain about being teenage, single mothers.
I could careless, but I refuse to pay for your promiscuity - whore around on your own dime

-Blacks are not “lazy moochers living off their hard earned tax dollars”
there are MORE Whites on Welfare - why is it when liberals want to increase some Gov. hand out - the trot out Americans of African decent from some inner city #### hole
.... and not some cracker from a trailer park in Eastern Kentucky - especially considering Black make up maybe 12 of the population these days

-They complain about globalization
who else ain't complaining - Occupy Wall Street - Progressive Anti Globalist Groups

-They are quick to judge minorities for being “welfare moochers” but don’t think twice about cashing their welfare check every month.
nice supposition ... got some proof sparky

-They complain about coastal liberals, but the taxes from California and New York are what covers their farm subsidies, helps maintain their highways, and keeps their hospitals in their sparsely populated areas open for business.
:bs:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/


-They complain about “the little man being run out of business” then turn around and shop at big box stores.
why do you hate walmart - they employ 1000's


-They make sure outsiders are not welcome, deny businesses permits to build, then complain about businesses, plants opening up in less rural areas.
got some links there sparky ?


-Government has not done enough to help them in many cases but their local and state governments are almost completely Republican .....
which states are these Sparky, because the biggest FAILING S H I T Holes right now have been run by Democrats for 40 or more years


-All the economic policies and ideas that could help rural America belong to the Democratic Party:

raising the minimum wage, - the more you raise the wage, the less hours people get Proof Perfect That The Minimum Wage Costs Jobs

strengthening unions, :killingme

infrastructure spending,



reusable energy growth, Solyndra :shrug: b
A Clean Energy’s Dirty Little Secret
Solar Energy Isn’t Always as Green as You Think


healthcare reform - Yeah Because PPACA was such a hit


…all of these and more would really help a lot of rural Americans.
 
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Wishbone

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Interesting article about why rural Christians vote against their own self interests:

Strange... Aren't these the same socialist busy-body control freaks always harping on everyone else that the "Need to see beyond their own self interest and do XXX for the common good?"
 

SamSpade

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Yeah, spoken like a true elitist doucheknot who needs to pull his head out of his clueless ass.

Seriously - I mean, all of these are either irrelevant - like whether or not they vote in Republicans - or false - such as the incremental loss of gun access - or just wrong.
How is it mathematically possible for rural America to draw the majority of Medicare and Social Security? Since everyone above a certain age qualifies, it is in direct proportion to the NUMBER of persons in each state or county - so urban areas will always be in the lead. Take a look --

http://medicare-usage.healthgrove.com/

So - that part is just sheer bull.

This is just mindless ranting based on poor or manufactured "facts".
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
You just proved his point.


At some point during the discussion, “That’s your education talking,” will be said, derogatorily, as a general dismissal of everything I said.

:killingme:killingme:killingme That would NEVER be said about or to you, shortbus!
 

Sapidus

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Seriously - I mean, all of these are either irrelevant - like whether or not they vote in Republicans - or false - such as the incremental loss of gun access - or just wrong.
How is it mathematically possible for rural America to draw the majority of Medicare and Social Security? Since everyone above a certain age qualifies, it is in direct proportion to the NUMBER of persons in each state or county - so urban areas will always be in the lead. Take a look --

http://medicare-usage.healthgrove.com/

Not the guns!!!!! anything but my gunz

Please show me where you have lost any access to guns?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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Please show me where you have lost any access to guns?




None of Obama’s Own Gun Control Proposals Have Anything to Do with the Shootings in Charleston

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ve-anything-do-shootings-charleston-charles-c

Gun control measures aren’t going to stop mass shootings


AP fact check: Obama gun-control actions wouldn’t have stopped any mass shooting

Let’s start with the AP’s Michael Sisak, who corroborated arguments gun-rights advocates have been making ever since word began leaking out about the executive actions Obama would take:

The gun control measures a tearful President Barack Obama announced Tuesday would not have prevented the slaughters of 20 first-graders at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, or 14 county workers at a holiday party in San Bernardino, California. …

Those measures are seen as crucial to stemming gun suicides — the cause of two-thirds of gun deaths — by blocking immediate access to weapons. But, an Associated Press review shows, they would have had no impact in keeping weapons from the hands of suspects in several of the deadliest recent mass shootings that have spurred calls for tighter gun control.

The shooters at Sandy Hook and San Bernardino used weapons bought by others, shielding them from background checks. In other cases, the shooters legally bought guns.


Sisak appends his analysis with a detailed list of mass shootings over the past three-plus years, and notes in each why the changes announced by Obama end up being non-sequiturs. The only shooting that might have been prevented by federal action should have been stopped anyway. Dylann Roof had a drug arrest on his record, which should have flagged his application to purchase a firearm, but a records screw-up allowed Roof to buy his weapon — and Obama’s proposals wouldn’t have changed that, either.
 
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Sapidus

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None of Obama’s Own Gun Control Proposals Have Anything to Do with the Shootings in Charleston

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ve-anything-do-shootings-charleston-charles-c

Gun control measures aren’t going to stop mass shootings


AP fact check: Obama gun-control actions wouldn’t have stopped any mass shooting

Let’s start with the AP’s Michael Sisak, who corroborated arguments gun-rights advocates have been making ever since word began leaking out about the executive actions Obama would take:

The gun control measures a tearful President Barack Obama announced Tuesday would not have prevented the slaughters of 20 first-graders at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, or 14 county workers at a holiday party in San Bernardino, California. …

Those measures are seen as crucial to stemming gun suicides — the cause of two-thirds of gun deaths — by blocking immediate access to weapons. But, an Associated Press review shows, they would have had no impact in keeping weapons from the hands of suspects in several of the deadliest recent mass shootings that have spurred calls for tighter gun control.

The shooters at Sandy Hook and San Bernardino used weapons bought by others, shielding them from background checks. In other cases, the shooters legally bought guns.


Sisak appends his analysis with a detailed list of mass shootings over the past three-plus years, and notes in each why the changes announced by Obama end up being non-sequiturs. The only shooting that might have been prevented by federal action should have been stopped anyway. Dylann Roof had a drug arrest on his record, which should have flagged his application to purchase a firearm, but a records screw-up allowed Roof to buy his weapon — and Obama’s proposals wouldn’t have changed that, either.


Great. Glad to see you can copy and paste.

What does that have to do with losing access to guns? which was the conversation. No one brought up Charleston or the congressional shooting weirdo
 

vraiblonde

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Their refusal is a result of the nature of their fundamentalist belief system and the fact I’m the enemy because I’m an educated liberal.

Or it could be that you're a smarmy little jackass who doesn't know #### from shinola and just barfs up what your handlers feed you.

Because I'll be honest: I don't find you particularly educated. Clearly you've never even had an elementary school history lesson, and it's pretty obvious that you have no talent for reading, let alone reading for comprehension. Your grammar is atrocious, and I've seen you struggle with simple math.
 

Sapidus

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Or it could be that you're a smarmy little jackass who doesn't know #### from shinola and just barfs up what your handlers feed you.

Because I'll be honest: I don't find you particularly educated. Clearly you've never even had an elementary school history lesson, and it's pretty obvious that you have no talent for reading, let alone reading for comprehension. Your grammar is atrocious, and I've seen you struggle with simple math.

Seems like you might be the one with the reading comprehension problem to not realize that was the author of the article and not me?

Just because you can't refute the facts you choose to throw more insults. Not only is that a sign of lack of intelligence it shows lack of class and decency

Doesn't it make sense as the author suggests that people susceptible to believing in a god there is no proof of and a book of fairy tales might be more susceptible to propaganda?
 
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