Let’s talk truth about black on black crime

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
Since everyone immoderately tries to reframe the police brutality discussion to focus on Black on Black crime this should be enlightening for many of you


“Both sociologists and criminologists agree that violent crime is a complex socioeconomic phenomenon. Generally speaking, research shows that poor people commit the most crime: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, during the period from 2008 through 2012, “persons in poor households at or below the federal poverty level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000) ... The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks “

http://www.theroot.com/why-we-never-talk-about-black-on-black-crime-an-answer-1819092337
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
According to the FBI’s uniform crime-reporting data for 2016, 90.1 percent of black victims of homicide were killed by other blacks, while 83.5 percent of whites were killed by other whites. While no life is inconsequential, the statistical evidence shows that—just as for blacks when it comes to black-on-black crime—whites are mostly victimized by other whites, with the vast majority of white murders committed by whites. This is because most victims of crime personally know their assailants. And while this is a truth across racial boundaries, no one ever talks about “white-on-white crime.”

It is a fact that most murders are committed by whites, according to the most recent FBI stats available. It is a fact (at least for 2016 and 2015) that a black man was less likely to commit a violent crime of any kind than a police officer was to kill an unarmed person.

Because Whites are not rioting and burning entire city blocks down when a black cop shoots a white guy
Solmi Cop shot an UNARMED White Woman in a Alley :shrug:

where are the Riots

A HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH B
 
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Monello

Smarter than the average bear
PREMO Member
Can you find data that shows the breakdown along racial lines? Do poor Asians commit crime at the same rate as poor hispanics?

Perhaps the elements that make people rich/poor are the same attributes that cause them to commit crimes.

Using crime as a variable is quite broad. Usually the concern is for violent crime where another person is killed or injured. Shoplifting, and similar crimes don't usually involve a coroner or a trip to the ER.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Why would you say, "reframe"?

Which of the two is a black youth more likely to experience - violence at the hands of police - or violence at the hands of another black person, probably from his own neighborhood?

Would you say it is the second - and by maybe - a factor of ten, twenty? An unarmed black male is about 40 times more likely to be killed by another black male - than by a cop of any color.

I'd consider that significant. This is akin to creating a whole movement comparing falls in the bath tub to heart attacks. One is a LOT more dangerous than the other.

The PROBLEM is the image problem and the distrust blacks have of cops of any color, but it has a little to do with blacks committing almost half of all violent crime.

For example, there's an ongoing image problem with priests, being cast as pedophiles. Ditto teachers. But in reality the pedophile is *far* more likely to be a family member.
Priests and teachers statistically are on par with the general public in the incidence - but it's because we presume a basic TRUST in such people that we get more upset with it.
Cops are supposed to protect you. (Cops are also FAR more likely to be killed by a black male than the reverse).

This is an image problem, this is a community problem. Because it's just not borne out by facts.
 

Restitution

New Member
So according to you Sap..... black on black crime is a socioeconomic thing.

EVERTHING else that doesn't go the black man's way is racial. Did I get that right?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Bull

Stopping trying to spread fake news



:bs:


ah yes .... white people burning cars after a sports event = blacks burning down a Baltimore neighborhood after Freddy Gray or LA after Rodney King

nice try short bus ... that is bull s hi it
 

transporter

Well-Known Member
How is it different?

You seem to be missing the point...the real point of GURPS propaganda is to deflect the conversation away from the obvious need to reduce access to weapons of mass destruction.

Neither GURPS nor any of the other 2a fanatics on here give two sh its about black on black violence. GURPS already posted as much with his "price of freedom" garbage.

When it is a nutjob white guy slaughtering dozens, it is just the price of freedom. When it is a nutjob with a different skin color or religion slaughtering people, then they scream for expanded gun rights and the need for "good guys with guns" or whatever catch phrase works with the uneducated cultist.

Just read...the hypocrisy is quite evident and easily identified. It is also easy to track the correlation between what is posted on right wing fringe sites and what is posted here by GURPS...which is then picked up on by the likes of Hijinx, Little Lady, Gilligan and the rest who are to stupid to read the article in GURPS post and too lazy to do a fact check. It is just easier for the weak minded to believe everything they read on the propaganda sites that fit there current politically extremists viewpoint.
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
You seem to be missing the point...the real point of GURPS propaganda is to deflect the conversation away from the obvious need to reduce access to weapons of mass destruction.

Neither GURPS nor any of the other 2a fanatics on here give two sh its about black on black violence. GURPS already posted as much with his "price of freedom" garbage.

When it is a nutjob white guy slaughtering dozens, it is just the price of freedom. When it is a nutjob with a different skin color or religion slaughtering people, then they scream for expanded gun rights and the need for "good guys with guns" or whatever catch phrase works with the uneducated cultist.

Just read...the hypocrisy is quite evident and easily identified. It is also easy to track the correlation between what is posted on right wing fringe sites and what is posted here by GURPS...which is then picked up on by the likes of Hijinx, Little Lady, Gilligan and the rest who are to stupid to read the article in GURPS post and too lazy to do a fact check. It is just easier for the weak minded to believe everything they read on the propaganda sites that fit there current politically extremists viewpoint.

All I have to add is that you are nut and half. :crazy:

And, you really need to get a grip on propaganda these days. You are falling behind. Do yourself a favor, and throw your existing packets of Kool-Aid out. You are welcome. :smile:

:patriot:
 
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Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
You seem to be missing the point...the real point of GURPS propaganda is to deflect the conversation away from the obvious need to reduce access to weapons of mass destruction.

Neither GURPS nor any of the other 2a fanatics on here give two sh its about black on black violence. GURPS already posted as much with his "price of freedom" garbage.

When it is a nutjob white guy slaughtering dozens, it is just the price of freedom. When it is a nutjb with a different skin color or religion slaughtering people, then they scream for expanded gun rights and the need for "good guys with guns" or whatever catch phrase works with the uneducated cultist.

Just read...the hypocrisy is quite evident and easily identified. It is also easy to track the correlation between what is posted on right wing fringe sites and what is posted here by GURPS...which is then picked up on by the likes of Hijinx, Little Lady, Gilligan and the rest who are to stupid to read the article in GURPS post and too lazy to do a fact check. It is just easier for the weak minded to believe everything they read on the propaganda sites that fit there current politically extremists viewpoint.
what new gun control laws would have prevented what occurred in Vegas? Hmmm?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
... the real point of GURPS propaganda is to deflect the conversation away from the obvious need to reduce access to weapons of mass destruction.

Please inform the crowd which 'Weapon of Mass Destruction' was used in Las Vegas that the police and news have thus far failed to report


VX
Sarin
Soman
Tabun
Cyclosarin

Mustard Gas
Phosgene
Lewisite

Dirty Bomb
Nuke

Bio-Weapons


When it is a nutjob white guy slaughtering dozens, it is just the price of freedom. When it is a nutjob with a different skin color or religion slaughtering people, then they scream for expanded gun rights and the need for "good guys with guns" or whatever catch phrase works with the uneducated cultist.

:bs:

Citizens allowed to defend themselves always trump bad guys with guns ...
wither its Omar Mateen or James Eagan Holmes or James Hodgkinson or Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik

or any other criminal
 
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This_person

Well-Known Member
So, here's the thing - Sap's article is right. Poor people commit more crime, and they commit it more likely closer to where they live.

The black people raising riots when a black person is shot by a cop don't understand that. Black people are grossly disproportionately poor, and therefore commit more crime, and therefore are subject to the results of that crime like legal intervention and victimization of crime.

This is not a race thing, and I wish the ones inciting riots understood this like Sap's article does.

So, this raises the question, why are black people so disproportionately represented in the lowest economic class?
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
A worm like TJ probably considers paintball and airsoft guns "weapons of mass destruction "
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
Got to give him this one, watch Michigan after winning or losing to Ohio. Someone's going to lose a car and it's going to be over a bumper sticker.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
The thing is whenever there's some kind of tragedy like this, we ask ourselves - could we have prevented this? Who is to blame? I have to admit, even after the hurricanes I started researching past efforts to weaken hurricanes by using technology (yeah, and they didn't work really - at all).

What exasperates so much is that the left keep proposing the SAME ideas, ones that have shown clearly they do not work. They propose solutions that clearly show they would not have worked - the Vegas killer would not have been curtailed by background checks and he obtained all of his guns legally. Short of actually confiscating guns across the country - something that, sorry, it is NOT going to happen - there are hundreds of millions of guns and there's NO serious means of stopping ILLEGAL guns - nothing, nothing, not one piece of legislation proposed would have stopped this tragedy.

Maybe it doesn't sink in - see, they also think they could have PREVENTED the hurricanes this year by following Global Warming, excuse me, Climate Change agreements - which are a farce because they don't even LOWER anything. But you don't stop a hurricane with climate change agreements. Try it. Wave the agreement in front of this weekend's hurricane - see if it listens. We had nearly ten years of pretty much no hurricanes and the ones we have had aren't the worst we've had. We had a lot this year - we had a BUNCH in 2004, 13 years ago. What we had was unusual but not unprecedented - it's NORMAL for a busy hurricane year.

We want to think - "We HAVE to do something".

No we don't. We should do something that will work. The left's proposals on guns is like that joke where the parent tells the teacher not to punish their kid in school - "just slap the kid NEXT to her - she'll get the message".
You don't make laws against gun ownership and expect a criminal planning mass killing to throw his hands in the air and give up. "Curses - foiled again by some stupid LAW".
It just punishes the tens of millions of citizens who have NEVER shot someone.

Their proposals? Hey, let's make a law against mass shootings. We'll even NAME it after the Vegas victims! Yay. We DID something.
 
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