Investigators Tried To Illegally Buy Guns Online.

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Investigators with the United States Government Accountability Office (GAO) were dispatched to see whether private online sellers were engaging in selling firearms to people who are prohibited from owning firearms. The investigators attempted dozens of times to illegally purchase firearms from online sellers on the "surface web" (i.e. not the dark web), but were completely unsuccessful — going 0 for 72.

Key takeaways from the GAO's report:

  • The GAO attempted 72 times to illegally purchase a firearm on gun forums and other classified ads.
  • They were unable to obtain any firearms.
  • 29 sellers stated they would not ship the firearm.
  • 27 refused after they learned that the attempted buyer was prohibited from buying.
  • In 5 instances, the accounts the GAO set up were frozen by the websites, which prohibited them from even accessing the forums.



https://www.dailywire.com/news/25472/narrative-fail-investigators-tried-illegally-buy-ryan-saavedra
 

limblips

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
Why is the GAO involved? We have a BATF (and FBI)!

Mission Statement: GAO exists to support the Congress in meeting its constitutional responsibilities and to help improve the performance and ensure the accountability of the federal government for the benefit of the American people.

How does trying to illegally buy firearms support their mission?
 

Kyle

ULTRA-F###ING-MAGA!
PREMO Member
Why is the GAO involved? We have a BATF (and FBI)!

Mission Statement: GAO exists to support the Congress in meeting its constitutional responsibilities and to help improve the performance and ensure the accountability of the federal government for the benefit of the American people.

How does trying to illegally buy firearms support their mission?

Has to be a leftover scam from the Muslim in chief administration.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Why is the GAO involved? We have a BATF (and FBI)!

Mission Statement: GAO exists to support the Congress in meeting its constitutional responsibilities and to help improve the performance and ensure the accountability of the federal government for the benefit of the American people.

How does trying to illegally buy firearms support their mission?

I think they call it "independent oversight", making sure the enforcement agencies and regulations actually work.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
the report was addressed to the following ........

The Honorable Elijah E. Cummings Ranking Member Committee on Oversight and Government Reform House of Representatives
The Honorable Brian Schatz United States Senate
The Honorable Elizabeth Warren United States Senate





According to the ATF FY 2010 – FY 2016 strategic plan, the privacy of the Internet makes it an ideal means for gang members, violent criminals, terrorists, and juveniles to traffic and obtain illegal firearms. 3 Further, the 2016 report noted that the more anonymity employed by a firearms purchaser, the greater the likelihood that the transaction violates federal law.

The current federal legal framework of statutes and regulations governing the buying and selling of firearms does not specifically address the use of the Internet to facilitate these transactions. Federally regulated transactions include those in which the seller is engaged in the business of dealing in firearms and is required to conduct a background check on a prospective nonlicensed buyer.4 Conversely, private transactions for the most common types of firearms between nonlicensed individuals who are residents of the same state, including transactions facilitated by the Internet, are generally not subject to federal background-check requirements.5

You asked us to assess the extent to which ATF is enforcing existing gun laws as they apply to firearms transactions facilitated by the Internet and investigate whether online private sellers sell firearms to prohibited individuals. This report describes (1) techniques ATF uses to investigate and enforce generally applicable firearm laws in instances where the firearm or firearm-component transaction is facilitated by the Internet and (2) results from our covert attempts to buy firearms on the Surface Web and Dark Web.6

To describe the investigative and enforcement techniques ATF has implemented to detect prohibited firearm or firearm-component transactions facilitated by the Internet, we reviewed relevant ATF documentation, such as planning and policy documents. We also reviewed and analyzed relevant statutes and regulations to understand the legal framework in which ATF performs its enforcement duties. Further, we examined applicable DOJ and ATF documentation to identify examples of closed adjudicated cases. We performed additional research using public court records to augment these reports in order to describe enforcement actions ATF has taken on prohibited firearms transactions facilitated by the Internet. Additionally, we interviewed ATF officials, including those with its Internet Investigations Center (Center), to understand enforcement actions ATF takes to respond to firearm crimes facilitated by the Internet. We also observed ATF regulatory officials perform a compliance inspection of a Federal Firearm Licensee (FFL) that engages in online commerce of dealing firearms to understand how the FFL inspection process works and learn how legitimate FFL transactions are facilitated by the Internet.7

To attempt to use the Internet to facilitate test firearm purchases, our agents performed covert tests on the Dark Web and Surface Web. Agents covertly accessed a Dark Web marketplace and attempted to purchase firearms or firearm components from nonlicensed private sellers. For our Dark Web testing, we examined the feasibility of obtaining different types of firearms. We made seven attempts to complete firearm transactions on the Dark Web, and we concluded testing when the transactions were successfully completed. For these covert tests, we did not disclose any information about our presumed prohibited status. On the Surface Web, using a variety of scenarios designed to make the seller believe that the transaction would be illegal, agents accessed gun forums and other classified advertisements and made 72 attempts to purchase firearms or firearm components from private nonlicensed sellers. The results of our testing are for illustrative purposes only and are not generalizable. We also reviewed DOJ and ATF published reports, as well as adjudicated criminal cases, to understand how prohibited individuals may use the Internet to purchase firearms or firearm components. Additionally, we met with third-party groups with knowledge of the firearms industry, including state law-enforcement agencies, a purveyor of a commercial website that hosts online firearm classified advertisements, a gun-control advocacy group, a firearm-industry organization, and an academic research center to learn about online firearm marketplaces, criminal pathways to illegally purchase or sell firearms, and enforcement responses. See appendix I for more information on our scope and methodology.

We conducted this performance audit from July 2015 to November 2017 in accordance with generally accepted government auditing standards. Those standards require that we plan and perform the audit to obtain sufficient, appropriate evidence to provide a reasonable basis for our findings and conclusions based on our audit objectives. We believe that the evidence obtained provides a reasonable basis for our findings and conclusions based on our audit objectives. We conducted our related investigative work in accordance with the standards prescribed by the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency.
 

black dog

Free America
I will say this, anytime a firearm is listed for sale on one of the major gun auction sites and it has questionable roots, along with someone trying to buy trying to skirt the law it will be brought to the attention to the sites moderators. The person / company that listed it or is trying to buy will also tend to be brought up in a few of the larger gun forums.
 

officeguy

Well-Known Member
You can't make this up. Warren and Cummins send the GAO on a boondoggle to buy guns in an illegal way and they bat 0/72.
The only possible conclusion is that the ATFs and state level regulation of the internet gun trade are working.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
"Tests performed on the Surface Web demonstrated that private sellers GAO contacted on gun forums and other classified ads were unwilling to sell a firearm to an individual who appeared to be prohibited from possessing a firearm," Seto J. Bagdoyan and Wayne McElrath of the GAO's Forensic Audits and Investigative Service section said in a report on the investigation released in November.

The investigation specifically targeted online sales by private sellers who do not have a federal firearms license and, in most states, aren't required to perform background checks on potential buyers. The investigators wanted to see if private sellers on otherwise legitimate online gun forums and marketplaces would break federal law by knowingly selling firearms to somebody who isn't allowed to buy them.

"The purpose of our Surface Web purchase attempts was to determine whether private sellers would knowingly sell a firearm to an individual prohibited from possessing one, as outlined by the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA)," Bagdoyan and McElrath said in their report. "Our agents used one of five scenarios based on a provision of the GCA when attempting to purchase a firearm. The scenarios involved overtly explaining why our agent was prohibited from possessing a firearm."

The investigators targeted websites based on whether they hosted nationwide or regional ads, the number of ads they could find, the variety of guns available on the site, how easy it was to access the site, and input from outside organizations like the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/federa...guns-legitimate-websites-despite-72-attempts/


duh ... testing the honesty of Americans ...

oh you are prohibited from owning a gun, sale canceled ....
they would have done better at the local ghetto street corner [according to Obama]


interesting hair splitting premise ... 'can a prohibited person' purchase a firearm online ....
I'm surprised the Congress Critters did not go with 'anyone' purchase a firearm online without a background check

but then private sales are allowed [in state] in 49 states Cali-FU AFAIK is the only state requiring all Firearms sales / transfers to be run through gun shops
 

stgislander

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
I'm waiting to hear how MD's favorite son, The Honorable Elijah Cummings, tries to spin this.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
I'm waiting to hear how MD's favorite son, The Honorable Elijah Cummings, tries to spin this.

I'm betting it's going to be like global warming causes worse winters. Just because we couldn't buy guns illegally it means that they're more sophisticated than we thought and we must throw much more money at the problem.
 
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