Gen Kelly says Trump “uninformed” No full Wall, Mexico won’t pay

[Sapidus]

In the understatement of the year Gen Kelly, Trumps Chief of staff says “Trump was Uninformed” when promising a border wall that Mexico would pay for.

So in short yet another campaign promise being walked back. Can’t wait to see how you all defend this one after many said it was the main reason they voted for him when any idiot knew a continuous border wall was impossible and making Mexico pay for it was a fantasy.

“White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly told Democratic lawmakers Wednesday that the US will never build a wall along the entire southern border and that Mexico won’t pay for what we do erect — refuting one of President Trump’s top campaign promises.

“The former Marine general also described some of the president’s other campaign promises about immigration “uninformed,” The Washington Post reported.”

https://nypost.com/2018/01/17/kelly-we-wont-build-all-of-trumps-wall-and-mexico-wont-pay-for-it/

 

[seven]

That imaginary wall will never happen! Mark my word! Trump is a worldwide joke!

 

[Starman]

Understand that Trump never suggested that Mexico would stroke a cheque for the wall. His plan was going to be to dork around with tariffs and/or the trade balance to cost Mexico (a terrible idea, BTW). Anyone who didn't understand this wasn't paying attention.

With that said, the wall will never be built. It wouldn't work anyway. Once one understands that illegal immigration is a problem of economic osmosis, you'll be on your way to understanding why a wall won't work.

You want to keep people where they are? Quick dicking around with economic and trade policies that cause them to want to move. People tend to migrate when they need to sate their bellies and their wallets.

Completely deleting public welfare would be a help too.

 

[black dog]

Understand that Trump never suggested that Mexico would stroke a cheque for the wall. His plan was going to be to dork around with tariffs and/or the trade balance to cost Mexico (a terrible idea, BTW). Anyone who didn't understand this wasn't paying attention.

With that said, the wall will never be built. It wouldn't work anyway. Once one understands that illegal immigration is a problem of economic osmosis, you'll be on your way to understanding why a wall won't work.

You want to keep people where they are? Quick dicking around with economic and trade policies that cause them to want to move. People tend to migrate when they need to sate their bellies and their wallets.

Completely deleting public welfare would be a help too.

The West Bank wall works, really really well..

 

[Sapidus]

The West Bank wall works, really really well..

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And how long is that border vs the Mexican border? How many rivers run through that border?

 

[transporter]

Understand that Trump never suggested that Mexico would stroke a cheque for the wall. His plan was going to be to dork around with tariffs and/or the trade balance to cost Mexico (a terrible idea, BTW). Anyone who didn't understand this wasn't paying attention..

Apparently you weren't paying attention...

But now comes a bit more detail — in a memo just over a page long — first reported by the Washington Post and now posted on the official Trump campaign website.

It's still all about leverage.

The memo lays out a three-day plan, using provisions of the Patriot Act, that Trump says will "compel Mexico to pay for the wall."

The basic argument is this: Billions of dollars in cash are transferred by individuals from the U.S. to Mexico every year. To keep that from coming to a halt, Mexico must make a one-time payment to the United States of $5 billion to $10 billion. That amount would cover the cost of building a wall that Trump has estimated would carry a price tag of about $8 billion. (Incidentally, that figure that is widely criticized as being far too low.)






Day 1: The Trump administration would draw up a "proposed rule" stating that no one be allowed to wire money outside the U.S. "unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States."

Day 2: Here the memo predicts that "Mexico will immediately protest." It goes on: "They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States." A 2013 Pew Research study, based on World Bank data, put remittances from the U.S. to Mexico at nearly $23 billion, so that's close to the amount Trump's memo cites, but the campaign offers no evidence to support a claim that "The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens." (Remittances to Mexico were up almost 14 percent in February, NPR's Carrie Kahn reports from Mexico City, per BBVA Research.)

Day 3: Tell Mexico that if it agrees to come up with the cash to pay for the wall, then the "proposed rule" will never go into effect.

https://www.npr.org/2016/04/05/473109475/trumps-plan-to-make-mexico-pay-for-the-wall

 

[Bird Dog]

Walls don’t have to be physical....lowest illegals crossing ever

 

[black dog]

And how long is that border vs the Mexican border? How many rivers run through that border?

Who cares, It's not like we don't know how to pour concrete through a river..
We have Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money than Israel...

[video=youtube_share;c7AL44keDZw]https://youtu.be/c7AL44keDZw[/video]

 

[GWguy]

Walls don’t have to be physical....lowest illegals crossing ever

I was going to point that out too. Walls can be non-physical. While pursuing bids on a physical wall, Trump never said that was the only option.

 

[This_person]

I was going to point that out too. Walls can be non-physical. While pursuing bids on a physical wall, Trump never said that was the only option.

He actually repeatedly said it was not the only option. He said there were many tines in that particular fork, and physical barrier was but one of those.

At least he didn't sign an executive order saying it would be done by the end of the first year, and have to live with that failure the rest of his presidency, like the whole Gitmo thing.

 

[black dog]

In the understatement of the year Gen Kelly, Trumps Chief of staff says “Trump was Uninformed” when promising a border wall that Mexico would pay for.

So in short yet another campaign promise being walked back. Can’t wait to see how you all defend this one after many said it was the main reason they voted for him when any idiot knew a continuous border wall was impossible and making Mexico pay for it was a fantasy.

“White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly told Democratic lawmakers Wednesday that the US will never build a wall along the entire southern border and that Mexico won’t pay for what we do erect — refuting one of President Trump’s top campaign promises.

“The former Marine general also described some of the president’s other campaign promises about immigration “uninformed,” The Washington Post reported.”

https://nypost.com/2018/01/17/kelly-we-wont-build-all-of-trumps-wall-and-mexico-wont-pay-for-it/

Who cares if we pay for it, we have spent over 2 Trillion in Iraq and will spend another 500 Billion on War Veteran Benefits... We certainly can afford 8 to 15 billion for a wall.
How about we add a " We smoked checked your Dictator " tax on the oil that leaves Iraq be until our new wall is paid for.

 

[SamSpade]

Obviously some wall is better than no wall. That almost doesn't need to be argued.

Unless you're a Democrat, in which case you shouldn't construct even one inch of wall, because an entire wall cannot be built.

Me, I think I might favor land mines.

 

[Gilligan]

Saw a report recently claiming that the wall will easily "pay for itself" over roughly ten years simply by reducing the money we spend on illegal immigrants.

 

[SamSpade]

Saw a report recently claiming that the wall will easily "pay for itself" over roughly ten years simply by reducing the money we spend on illegal immigrants.

Compared to just about anything else the governments spends on over ten years, the wall cost is a pittance.
They're pissing and moaning about a few billion here, but have no qualms over new spending that completely engulfs the cost of a wall.

 

[GURPS]

..... that the US will never build a wall along the entire southern border ....

you do understand terrain dictates how the wall goes up, and a River runs along the border in some spots negating the ability to build a wall

 

[GURPS]

Me, I think I might favor land mines.

and machine gun towers ... crewed by convicts over seen by drones

 

[SamSpade]

And how long is that border vs the Mexican border? How many rivers run through that border?

How many rivers run "through" ours? As opposed to the river BEING the border?

Even the drainage basin for the Rio Grande doesn't really pose a big problem, as most of its tributaries on the U.S. side are very small.

 

[black dog]

you do understand terrain dictates how the wall goes up, and a River runs along the border in some spots negating the ability to build a wall

You do know the Great Wall is 5,500 miles long, If all of the fingers of the wall are added it's over 13,000 miles long.
. Certainly we have the knowledge nowdays to build a wall much shorter in a much more convenient location.. Heck the company that built the wall for Israel offered to build ours.

 

[GURPS]

You do know the Great Wall is 5,500 miles long, If all of the fingers of the wall are added it's over 13,000 miles long.

I did not ... interesting

I am not however concerned that we will not have some sort of surveillance / physical wall built.

 

[SamSpade]

I did not ... interesting

I am not however concerned that we will not have some sort of surveillance / physical wall built.

With enough surveillance and resources dedicated to it - it can work. Try sneaking into North Korea - from ANY entry point.
We just have a part of our political system that by and large WANTS a flow of illegals.