Gowdy. “ there’s going to be a Russia Probe even without a memo

[Sapidus]

“But the so-called Nunes memo says the Steele dossier did not launch the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties with Russia. The memo confirms previous reports that overtures by Russian operatives to a junior campaign adviser are what sparked the FBI's counterintelligence investigation.

George Papadopoulos — who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts — "triggered" the opening of the investigation, the memo says.“

"Devin Nunes, over the past several months, all the way back to the spring of last year I think has engaged in these tactics, purely to defend, makes excuses and try to protect Mr. Trump," Brennan said.

Brennan also downplayed the amount of influence the dossier had among those in intelligence circles.

"It did not play any role whatsoever in the intelligence community assessments that was done that was presented to then President Obama and then President-elect Trump.“


https://www.npr.org/2018/02/04/5831...g-to-be-a-russia-probe-even-without-a-dossier

 

[This_person]

But, at least now there may be a probe into the abuses of the FISA system to illegally spy on American citizens by the Obama administration.

No one really said the memo was the instigator of the investigation. Simply that it prolonged it, but more importantly was one of the many signs of abuse of the American citizens at the hands of the Obama Administration. It was first seen when Obama said, "I don't know what happened, but I know the police acted stupidly", thus attacking the methods of the police even when he admittedly had no idea what happened, continued with the offering of American citizens purchasing weapons and delivering them to the Mexican drug cartels, followed by abuse of political opponents and their ideology by using the IRS, etc., etc. I mean, in the first day or two of the Obama Administration, they tried to keep Fox News from being considered a news organization and taking them from the White House press pool. The Obama administration put the Nixon administration to shame in terms of sheer lust for abusing power and corruption.

But, yeah, there's going to be an investigation either way.

Now, we can say with certainty, though, that the investigation was based on the Clinton campaign paying Russians (via a series of money laundering methods) to impact the outcome of a presidential election.

That's right, the investigation into whether the Trump administration worked with Russians to impact the election (which has had zero credibility, according to the right wing zealot Dianne Feinstein) has it's legs from a dossier produced by the Clinton campaign trying to use foreign sources to impact the outcome of a presidential election.

So, I strongly urge you to keep talking about it, Sap. It only helps the right and the Republicans (which are not the same thing).

 

[Sapidus]

But, at least now there may be a probe into the abuses of the FISA system to illegally spy on American citizens by the Obama administration.

No one really said the memo was the instigator of the investigation. Simply that it prolonged it, but more importantly was one of the many signs of abuse of the American citizens at the hands of the Obama Administration. It was first seen when Obama said, "I don't know what happened, but I know the police acted stupidly", thus attacking the methods of the police even when he admittedly had no idea what happened, continued with the offering of American citizens purchasing weapons and delivering them to the Mexican drug cartels, followed by abuse of political opponents and their ideology by using the IRS, etc., etc. I mean, in the first day or two of the Obama Administration, they tried to keep Fox News from being considered a news organization and taking them from the White House press pool. The Obama administration put the Nixon administration to shame in terms of sheer lust for abusing power and corruption.

But, yeah, there's going to be an investigation either way.

Now, we can say with certainty, though, that the investigation was based on the Clinton campaign paying Russians (via a series of money laundering methods) to impact the outcome of a presidential election.

That's right, the investigation into whether the Trump administration worked with Russians to impact the election (which has had zero credibility, according to the right wing zealot Dianne Feinstein) has it's legs from a dossier produced by the Clinton campaign trying to use foreign sources to impact the outcome of a presidential election.

So, I strongly urge you to keep talking about it, Sap. It only helps the right and the Republicans (which are not the same thing).

I don't mind it being talked about. Talk about it all you want. It still amounts to nothing. especially when considering the source. A notorious Trump apologist who already had to recuse himself after sharing intelligence withe the White House about the investigation.

Not to mention he went on TV and Lied this morning saying that Papadapolous and Trump never met despite photo evidence

Unfortunately for you your interpretation is incorrect. The memo itself shows that the impetus was not the Dossier.

"Instead, it says, overtures by Russian operatives to a junior campaign adviser are what sparked the FBI's counterintelligence investigation.

George Papadopoulos — who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts — "triggered" the opening of the investigation, the memo says.

Court documents have described offers that Papadopoulos received of "dirt" on Hillary Clinton and "off the record" meetings involving him and other campaign aides and Russian leaders.

Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat about these offers on a drunken night out in London, according to The New York Times. The Australian then reported what he had heard through official channels to the United States, and the FBI began to investigate.

The story has been told before, but the Nunes memo confirms for the first time that the Russia probe began with Papadopoulos and not with other evidence, including the unverified Steele dossier. The dossier was used later as part of an application for a warrant to conduct surveillance on another Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page, according to the document."

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/02/5827...res-to-trump-aide-triggered-fbi-investigation

 

[Gilligan]

I don't mind it being talked about. Talk about it all you want. It still amounts to nothing. especially when considering the source.

So consider the source...well, sources is more correct, since the memo was a collaborative and joint effort.

Something you seem quite determined to ignore.

 

[Sapidus]

So consider the source...well, sources is more correct, since the memo was a collaborative and joint effort.

Something you seem quite determined to ignore.

I've addressed that. Gowdy and Nunes are both scum and untrustworthy. Didnt Gowdy just announce his retirement? Not good to align ourself with a president with a approval rating in the toilet i guess.

 

[Gilligan]

I've addressed that. Gowdy and Nunes are both scum and untrustworthy. .

What about the other contributors? And the staff? What about the process it went through before release?..all those people scum too?

 

[Sapidus]

What about the other contributors? And the staff? What about the process it went through before release?..all those people scum too?

Of course not but they are the people who write what they are told. It's also a memo. It means nothing. there is no official process for releasing a memo. Or no official steps to follow because it means nothing. If they had any evidence they would have opened an investigation instead of writing a post it note

 

[Gilligan]

Of course not but they are the people who write what they are told. It's also a memo. It means nothing. there is no official process for releasing a memo. Or no official steps to follow because it means nothing. If they had any evidence they would have opened an investigation instead of writing a post it note

Memos mean everything; they are official records and official communications. So, oh wise one, how did they follow a process for releasing that one if there was no process to follow. And..you fidiot...they ARE investigating the whole mess. That's the whole point. The memo simply summarizes some key, and very disturbing elements that their investigations have turned up so far. Stay tuned..more to come.

Oh..and here....a nice memorandum about memorandi. Read it.

https://www.justice.gov/oip/blog/foia-update-foia-memo-white-house-records

 

[Sapidus]

Memos mean everything; they are official records and official communications. So, oh wise one, how did they follow a process for releasing that one if there was no process to follow. And..you fidiot...they ARE investigating the whole mess. That's the whole point. The memo simply summarizes some key, and very disturbing elements that their investigations have turned up so far. Stay tuned..more to come.

Yeah. remember those famous Watergate Memos? The Iran Contra Memos.

You are a joke as is your party and its intelligence level if you are hanging your hopes on a post it and continually attacking a real investigator for taking his time and not rushing out any stupid " memos" that mean nothing

Oh wait. But thats exactly what Trump and co want you to do. Maybe you are being paid by the Koch bros

 

[Gilligan]

Yeah. remember those famous Watergate Memos? The Iran Contra Memos.

Y

yeah...but what was your point? You might not have meant to reinforce the simple fact that the majority of government business is transacted by memorandum and/or recorded by memorandum....but that's what you did.

Did you graduate fifth grade even? Go read that memorandum directive about memorandums that I provided you the link for. OR continue to be stupid..makes no difference to me and you clearly prefer the latter.

 

[GURPS]

When Asked If FISA Warrant Would Have Been Authorized Without Dossier, Rep. Trey Gowdy Replies: ‘No, It Would Not Have Been’



On Sunday, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) appeared on CBS’ "Face the Nation" with host Margaret Brennan, and made a damning claim: the FISA warrant wouldn’t have been granted without the Steele dossier.

BRENNAN: We should dig into this because you are, from my understanding, the only Republican investigator on the House Intelligence Committee who actually viewed the FISA applications. Everything that went into essentially putting together this memo. So, when you're talking about this Steele memo, you are not saying that it was the sole piece of evidence used to justify these four authorizations of the surveillance warrant, are you?

GOWDY: No. It was not the exclusive information relied upon by the FISA court.

BRENNAN: Would it have been authorized were it not for that dossier?

GOWDY: No, it would not have been.

BRENNAN: How can you say that because it was authorized four times by separate judges?

 

[GURPS]

George Papadopoulos — who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts — "triggered" the opening of the investigation, the memo says.“

:shrug:

where is Trump ?
Oh that's Right No Collusion

Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat about these offers on a drunken night out in London ...

oh yeah a bragger out drunk .... that is credible

It's also a memo. It means nothing. there is no official process for releasing a memo. Or no official steps to follow because it means nothing.

so after days of from little boy schiff ... it is your contention [with the ever present dismissive handwav'em] the memo means NOTHING ?


and the Comey memo ?

 

[PsyOps]

The story has been told before, but the Nunes memo confirms for the first time that the Russia probe began with Papadopoulos and not with other evidence, including the unverified Steele dossier.

It's also a memo. It means nothing.

First the memo is a noting burger and it means and proves nothing; now suddenly it means and proves something - when it fits your thinking.

 

[Sapidus]

When Asked If FISA Warrant Would Have Been Authorized Without Dossier, Rep. Trey Gowdy Replies: ‘No, It Would Not Have Been’



On Sunday, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) appeared on CBS’ "Face the Nation" with host Margaret Brennan, and made a damning claim: the FISA warrant wouldn’t have been granted without the Steele dossier.

BRENNAN: We should dig into this because you are, from my understanding, the only Republican investigator on the House Intelligence Committee who actually viewed the FISA applications. Everything that went into essentially putting together this memo. So, when you're talking about this Steele memo, you are not saying that it was the sole piece of evidence used to justify these four authorizations of the surveillance warrant, are you?

GOWDY: No. It was not the exclusive information relied upon by the FISA court.

BRENNAN: Would it have been authorized were it not for that dossier?

GOWDY: No, it would not have been.

BRENNAN: How can you say that because it was authorized four times by separate judges?

Four separate judges all appointed by Republicans.

Kind of blows a hole in your deep state cosnoriwcy theories.

 

[Gilligan]

Four separate judges all appointed by Republicans.

Kind of blows a hole in your deep state cosnoriwcy theories.

BRENNAN: Would it have been authorized were it not for that dossier?

GOWDY: No, it would not have been.


Does not get any simpler than that, does it Sappy?

 

[Sapidus]

BRENNAN: Would it have been authorized were it not for that dossier?

GOWDY: No, it would not have been.

Does not get any simpler than that, does it Sappy?

As I said before Gowdy is not impartial. Nor does he know for sure what the FBI based their authorization on. He is a Trump apologist who wrote the memo. Of course he is gonna say that

4 separate Republican appointee judges authorized it.

 

[Gilligan]

As I said before Gowdy is not impartial. Nor does he know for sure what the FBI based their authorization on.

Links to back your otherwise baseless assertion?

 

[Sapidus]

Links to back your otherwise baseless assertion?

How about you prove your claims that he does know ?

 

[GURPS]

Nor does he know for sure what the FBI based their authorization on.

ya got some proof there Skippy ... :shrug: you work for Gowdy, sit at his dinner table ..... otherwise you are talking out of your ass

He is a Trump apologist who wrote the memo.

Oh so now it is Gowdy's Memo, not Nune's ?
well which is it

 

[Gilligan]

How about you prove your claims that he does know ?

Another logical fallacy. You use a lot of those. You claim it..you own it, shortbus.