LaPierre Speaks

[PsyOps]

Wayne LaPierre is speaking at CPAC. Paraphrasing him:

We protect our jewelry stores, banks, malls, airports, concerts, football games, basketball games, our elite Hollywood with armed guards... Yet we can't protect our children in our school in the same way. Anti-2A progressives don't care about our children; they only care about their agenda to disarm Americans. Let's place their same standard of rejecting the protection of our children in our schools on our Hollywood elites and disarm them.

This is an absolute fact. Why do we accept nearly every part of our lives to be protected by armed guards, but not our schools?

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Schools have beefed up security. Especially since Columbine. 77% of schools with 1000 or more students, 47% of schools with 500-999 students, 36% of schools with 300-499 students, and 24% of school with less than 300 students have SROs.
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2017/2017122.pdf

The Feds granted $750 million between 1999 and 2005 to fund SROs during a period where the school crime rate was already falling.

43% of schools in this country have a SRO, right now. Including Marjory Stoneman Douglas and every other school in that district. They also had metal detectors, which aren't very good at finding metal as one may think.

To top it off, these SROs get paid more than the teachers.

According to the COPS handbook, a police officer can be promoted to detective when they become an SRO (this is an incentive to encourage more officers to become SROs). The median salary of a detective in the U.S. in 2011 is $63,294, comparatively a school counselor’s median salary is $61,446. But, comparatively, a counselor is paid $71,070 and a teacher is paid 52,471.

http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/educationunderarrest_fullreport.pdf

Now, most of the items he mentioned are security theater, not real security. Airports is a horrible example, unless he's just advocating for incompetance. Airport security, where the TSA failed to find weapons 95% of the time. Hannity also said schools should be as secure as airports.

What we have seen with an increase in police in schools is a slow creap of 4th and 5th Amendment rights infringements on students. Whether it be child porn charges for teens sending/receiving sexts (and in at least once case, the SRO getting the photos), sweeping fruitless drug searches, "zero tolerance" policies that put the police in the middle of school business, etc. More police in schools is akin to some vague mental health overhaul or an assault weapons ban, or a bump stock ban. I'm sure they mean well, but are simply not effective.

 

[transporter]

Wayne LaPierre is speaking at CPAC. Paraphrasing him:

We protect our jewelry stores, banks, malls, airports, concerts, football games, basketball games, our elite Hollywood with armed guards... Yet we can't protect our children in our school in the same way. Anti-2A progressives don't care about our children; they only care about their agenda to disarm Americans. Let's place their same standard of rejecting the protection of our children in our schools on our Hollywood elites and disarm them.

This is an absolute fact. Why do we accept nearly every part of our lives to be protected by armed guards, but not our schools?

Ah...time to trump out the standard NRA BS....deflect the topic in another direction...fail to answer any point made...claim to be for a proposal then do everything to fight against its passage.

I cannot recall having ever seen one armed guard in any jewelry story, bank or mall I've ever been in.

There have been police at concerts and ball games to arrest drunks and stop fights....their primary purpose is not to stop mass shooters. Again, you fail to understand the basic premise here. Disconnect the bad guy from the gun BEFORE the bad guy gets the gun. Your premise is that there are acceptable losses inside a school or church. A cop with a pistol isn't going to stop a mass shooter till after he has already shot/killed numerous people.

Now it's just the "Hollywood elite"??? What no comment about the President being surrounded by armed guards?

And of course, when you have no rational or valid points to make and no solutions to offer, then you fall back to the "our opponents are using this event for political purposes". This is the position of the moron...so naturally it will be touted on here. GURPS can put up another 40-50 posts....and VRAI can profit from the eyeballs...what a system.

 

[GURPS]

Now it's just the "Hollywood elite"??? What no comment about the President being surrounded by armed guards?

It's the President but hey Pelosi and Feinstein don't need their SS Protection

you are one Miserable Sod .......


yes Hollywood Elitists / Politicians who live in gated communities and or have Private Security WITH GUNS ... lecturing Americans to give up their means of protection

Like James Cameron who has 3 Mansions and flys around on PRIVATE Jets lecturing me to BE GREEN

 

[Gilligan]

I cannot recall having ever seen one armed guard in any jewelry story, bank or mall I've ever been in.
.

Then you obviously never get out much. I've seen them in all three places....plenty of times.

 

[PsyOps]

Again, you fail to understand the basic premise here.

I have been set straight by the almighty and all-knowing TJ. I bow to your superior intellect.

 

[Hijinx]

Maybe we should look at society to see why we have to beef up security at our schools.

When I went to school we didn't need beefed up security. The principle would put the wooden board across our ass and we acquiesced to it.
We took our ass whipping and we didn't go home crying to Momma either.
We didn't want another ass whipping when we got home.

Is it parenting that is missing? Is corporal punishment now so repugnant that we allow our kids to do crazed things and get away with it?
I don't recall one student who got his butt beat ever threatening retaliation on the principal. We took it like men.
Men have a new role in society now. We cannot take things like a man any longer,because the gender and manhood have been replaced with societal-gender equality.
And parents Mothers who used to be in the home are now in the workplace and the kids are farmed out, but in order to show the kids that they love them, they
take the stand that their little perfect human would never do any wrong.

 

[PsyOps]

Your premise is that there are acceptable losses inside a school or church. A cop with a pistol isn't going to stop a mass shooter till after he has already shot/killed numerous people.

I would say, based on the second sentence, you get it, but it's stunning how clueless you are to have posted two diametrically opposing thoughts back-to-back.

Here's a scary thought for people like you who live in this fantasy world of a perfectly peaceful society... It's a scary and violent world out there. There are people that want to harm others just because they want to; and they will find the means to do so. Living in a free society is a dangerous proposition that you either accept as a fact of American life or reject it and demand we be less free in favor of expecting someone else to protect us as individuals. I don't accept the losses, I accept that liberty has its consequences. BUT, not only do I want to be free from harm, I want to ensure that freedom from harm demands that I have the ability to defend myself and not rely on someone else (the government) to do it for me. You'd prefer I die at the hands of those dangerous people because you're not comfortable with me arming myself. THAT is a dangerous and unacceptable option. And these school shootings prove that.

 

[Merlin99]

Ah...time to trump out the standard NRA BS....deflect the topic in another direction...fail to answer any point made...claim to be for a proposal then do everything to fight against its passage.
What point was he supposed to be responding to, he was there to make a speech.

I cannot recall having ever seen one armed guard in any jewelry story, bank or mall I've ever been in.
Have you ever visited a city? Armed guards at banks and jewelry stores are a fairly common

There have been police at concerts and ball games to arrest drunks and stop fights....their primary purpose is not to stop mass shooters. Again, you fail to understand the basic premise here. Disconnect the bad guy from the gun BEFORE the bad guy gets the gun. Your premise is that there are acceptable losses inside a school or church. A cop with a pistol isn't going to stop a mass shooter till after he has already shot/killed numerous people.
Their reason is to provide security, all security, it isn't restricted to drunks or fights.

Now it's just the "Hollywood elite"??? What no comment about the President being surrounded by armed guards?
Is it true or not?

And of course, when you have no rational or valid points to make and no solutions to offer, then you fall back to the "our opponents are using this event for political purposes". This is the position of the moron...so naturally it will be touted on here. GURPS can put up another 40-50 posts....and VRAI can profit from the eyeballs...what a system.
This is one of your standard responses "anyone who'd say this is a moron", it's a very valid point that their opponent would use it for political purposes. They did, and continue to do it, can't say I blame them for it either. If you want to restrict guns what better time to beat home the point than when little Johnny is lying there in a puddle of blood. His death may be statistically insignificant one in the overall picture, but the optics are on your side.

Hate to do replies within a post, but when you jump around like a rat on crack it's the only way to answer all the points.

 

[PsyOps]

Now it's just the "Hollywood elite"??? What no comment about the President being surrounded by armed guards?

Fair enough. Every president that is against such protection, they can opt out of their armed protection. It's pretty hypocritical that Obama called for all of this gun control while enjoying his own armed protection. He should have relinquished it and let the chips fall where they may. I think that's an awesome idea.

Kudos to you TJ.

 

[GURPS]

I cannot recall having ever seen one armed guard in any jewelry story, bank or mall I've ever been in.
Have you ever visited a city?

Armed guards at banks and jewelry stores are a fairly common

That Was My Thought ..... Toe Jam hasn't been north to the big scary city or only in White Neighborhoods

:shrug: