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[Monello]

This sort of ugliness deserves to be laid on Obama's legacy.

You would have thought that he'd be the 1 national leader to address this issue and have people listen to him. Once he spoke on the Gates issue, he clearly tipped his hand on how he felt. I guess years of being a community agitator would cause you to speak and act that way.

Same with his comment about Travon. And this by a guy who was mostly raised by lily white, midwestern people.

 

[mAlice]

Excellent observation.

They didn’t abduct their victim and torture him because they had something against him. They abducted and tortured him because they thought nothing of him. They found his pain and fear to be utterly hilarious. It was all just a bit of recreation. They weren’t exacting revenge on an enemy — they were toying with an insect. They were pulling the legs off a grasshopper. The grasshopper happened to be a human being, but that distinction was meaningless in their eyes.

What really struck me about the video, and what always strikes me when another wave of rioting and arson breaks out ostensibly in response to “police brutality,” and what strikes me about the sky high murder rate in the inner city, etc., is that those responsible do not appear to have a conscience. Hatred, for them, would be a step up. Hatred is human. It’s emotional and passionate, albeit dangerously misdirected. But there’s something to work with. A hateful person feels something, at least. He feels the wrong things, but feeling the wrong thing is better than feeling nothing. And that’s what I see in the video: people who feel nothing.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/matt-walsh-this-was-not-merely-a-hate-crime-it-was-much-worse/

 

[Larry Gude]

You would have thought that he'd be the 1 national leader to address this issue and have people listen to him. Once he spoke on the Gates issue, he clearly tipped his hand on how he felt. I guess years of being a community agitator would cause you to speak and act that way.

Same with his comment about Travon. And this by a guy who was mostly raised by lily white, midwestern people.

Exactly.

Regardless of what one thought of him coming into office, he DID sell himself as this new way, the bridge, metaphorically and in reality, between left and right, black and white, R and D. He DID sell himself as the transparent guy who would cast out the lobbyists and bring in the sunshine. And he HAD it, right there in his hands, the opportunity to follow through on it. No congress, regardless of their ill intentions, could stop him, especially the first two years, in doing those thing; transparency, open-ness, bridging. When he sat there in that dumb ass seminar setting with GOP leaders he couldn't even make it though his own event. He couldn't just listen to them, let them vent and then make his own case, find some common ground, cut some deals. His arrogance, his ego, his stunning insecurity in his own ideas, required him to put them in their place and point out the obvious, that he'd won. Well, no ####, big man. What now?

He was and is a malignant narcissist and that's a scary thing. And whatever one thinks of Trump, he's not malignant. He's not afraid of having better men around him, smarter people, stronger people.
Whatever his ego, whatever his narcissism, at least he's not insecure and afraid of the ideas of others.

 

[mAlice]

I suspect this was somehow forced, but there it is. http://www.breitbart.com/news/four-charged-with-hate-crimes-over-livestreamed-chicago-assault/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

 

[PsyOps]

No, not because we disagree. Because you repeat the same stuff ad nausem, most of which belong in the Conspiracy forum.

And because I had to use the bathroom and hang some sheetrock.

I do tend to repeat. It's my style.

 

[Larry Gude]

I do tend to repeat. It's my style.

Since when? That's the problem with Jazz. Nothing repeats. No reference, no anchor, just this ship that leaves port and never looks back.

 

[PsyOps]

This sort of ugliness deserves to be laid on Obama's legacy.

And that plays into my point that folks have been paying attention to Obama's racial politics, giving them the impression they have Obama's approval to commit these heinous crimes. I mean look at BLM... rather than condemnation of their hate and inciting of violence, he invites them to the WH as heroes.

 

[PsyOps]

Since when? That's the problem with Jazz. Nothing repeats. No reference, no anchor, just this ship that leaves port and never looks back.

There is a separation clause between my politics and jazz.

 

[GWguy]

Just heard on the news they were charged with hate crimes. Nothing more specific.

 

[Larry Gude]

And that plays into my point that folks have been paying attention to Obama's racial politics, giving them the impression they have Obama's approval to commit these heinous crimes. I mean look at BLM... rather than condemnation of their hate and inciting of violence; instead he invites them to the WH as heroes.

Well, in his defense, it's not policies per se. However, by any normal standard, he's been inflammatory and incite-ful. It's fine for a community organizers. Not so much for a President. That said, he sure paved the way for Trump.

In any event, I'd LOVE to sit with Obama and ask him what his intent is. Is it to have a certain amount of blood letting for some sense of get even-ness for the past? Is it simply pay back to Al Sharpton, he has to help Al's buisness because Al helped him get elected? (do not forget that Sharpton and others said Obama, in 2007 and early 2008, was not black enough, was not from the civil rights struggles and was, ironically enough, appropriating black struggles). Is it simple raw power politics, squeaky wheel gets the grease?

He's not a moron. He has to know that when you take that power, of the bully pulpit, and you're backing a couple of losers, sooner or later, it blows back. So, why?

 

[Toxick]

They were doing it long before #BLM was invented.

Just throwing this out there:

#BLM just condemned this.
#TheReverendJackson also.

 

[Toxick]

Just heard on the news they were charged with hate crimes. Nothing more specific.

I'd like to see aggravated assault along with attempted murder - I'm sure all sorts of permutations for charges can be gleaned from the video. I don't know if "torture" is a thing, or it's covered under one of the other charges.

I still think the extra label "hate crime" is ####ing pointless. Like somehow it makes it worse because the idiot perpetrators did it because of hate, instead of spite, greed or sport. A crime is a crime, and screw reasons.




I think they should get charged on being criminally stupid for broadcasting their exploits on facebook.
I cannot imagine a more blindingly idiotic action than to on top of a violent crime, than to record it and broadcast it on social media.


Dumbasses.

 

[GWguy]

I'd like to see aggravated assault along with attempted murder - I'm sure all sorts of permutations for charges can be gleaned from the video. I don't know if "torture" is a thing, or it's covered under one of the other charges.

I still think the extra label "hate crime" is ####ing pointless. Like somehow it makes it worse because the idiot perpetrators did it because of hate, instead of spite, greed or sport. A crime is a crime, and screw reasons.




I think they should get charged on being criminally stupid for broadcasting their exploits on facebook.
I cannot imagine a more blindingly idiotic action than to on top of a violent crime, than to record it and broadcast it on social media.


Dumbasses.

Can't disagree with ya. Add kidnapping.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/index.html

 

[b23hqb]

Just heard on the news they were charged with hate crimes. Nothing more specific.

Yup. The same person that earlier today said it did not appear to be politically or racially motivated just said this is no doubt a hate crime. Jesse? Obama? Emanuel? Al?

A crime is a crime. A horrendous crime is still a horrendous crime. "Hate" only is really meaningless.

 

[PsyOps]

Well, in his defense, it's not policies per se. However, by any normal standard, he's been inflammatory and incite-ful. It's fine for a community organizers. Not so much for a President. That said, he sure paved the way for Trump.

In any event, I'd LOVE to sit with Obama and ask him what his intent is. Is it to have a certain amount of blood letting for some sense of get even-ness for the past? Is it simply pay back to Al Sharpton, he has to help Al's buisness because Al helped him get elected? (do not forget that Sharpton and others said Obama, in 2007 and early 2008, was not black enough, was not from the civil rights struggles and was, ironically enough, appropriating black struggles). Is it simple raw power politics, squeaky wheel gets the grease?

He's not a moron. He has to know that when you take that power, of the bully pulpit, and you're backing a couple of losers, sooner or later, it blows back. So, why?

Obama is a smart guy, but only in the sense that he understood his base; particularly the black community. But he underestimated the smarts of the general public. Obama fomented anger within the black community by using the media and DOJ. Their target… cops. But in reality, the real target was white people. Then create a whole new group to answer for this fabricated racial disparity – Black Lives Matter. Make sure very radical people are picked to add gasoline to the problem, the unleash them on the general public. A near perfect brew to create violence and chaos.

Now the foundation has been laid, and this doesn’t end when Trump takes office. I think it gets worse. Obama is, in his heart, and always will be a radical community organizer whose element has been, and always will be, creating chaos. The sole purpose of this chaos is to get people looking to the government to fix it.

 

[Larry Gude]

Obama is a smart guy, but only in the sense that he understood his base; particularly the black community. .

I don't think so. I think that is completely over blown and I think these debacles are evidence of that. Keep in mind; Sharpton is right; Obama is NOT part of the long time movement, him and Jackson. He IS an outsider to them. That was their argument and the point of this story; http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19-story.html

Obama is a creation of the white guilt, the desire to be absolved of the sins of the past, to be able to declare, loudly, "I have a BLACK friend! And I voted for him! See? I am GOOD!"

Whites accept he is part of the black community when, in reality, he's had as little to do with it as possible including crushing his mentor in Illinois.

 

[Larry Gude]

Obama is, in his heart, and always will be a radical community organizer whose element has been, and always will be, creating chaos. The sole purpose of this chaos is to get people looking to the government to fix it.

See, you've fallen for the Rush Limbaugh hysteria. The REGIME!! FEAR!!!! In his heart, I think all Obama is is a kid raised in privilege who got used to, real early, being fawned over and deferred to and praised by people who wanted him to be that magic person, the object they could use to show THEIR goodness. I think he saw how to use that and just road the yellow brick road they laid out for him.

Consider. What is radical about him? Nothing. The ACA was a fiasco he left TOTALLY to congress to design. Would a radical miss the opportunity to build in cherished concepts and wants? Of course not.
He just simply has a very inflated sense of self that is well beyond his learning and accomplishments. Like any rock star, sooner or later, you think the crowd is right. You';re awesome.

He's not a radical, at all. He's a kid in WAY over his head who knew he liked the cheering and adulation.

 

[PsyOps]

Just throwing this out there:

#BLM just condemned this.
#TheReverendJackson also.

It is on their FB page.

I want to be clear that I'm not attempting to make a direct connection between BLM and this incident; but I do believe it's completely possible they were inspired by BLM due to their past inciting of violence towards whites.

 

[vraiblonde]

I don't think so. I think that is completely over blown and I think these debacles are evidence of that. Keep in mind; Sharpton is right; Obama is NOT part of the long time movement, him and Jackson. He IS an outsider to them. That was their argument and the point of this story; http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19-story.html

Obama is a creation of the white guilt, the desire to be absolved of the sins of the past, to be able to declare, loudly, "I have a BLACK friend! And I voted for him! See? I am GOOD!"

Whites accept he is part of the black community when, in reality, he's had as little to do with it as possible including crushing his mentor in Illinois.

I completely agree with this, therefore the science is settled.

 

[Kyle]

This sort of ugliness deserves to be laid on Obama's legacy.

Did he go on TV and mention... "If I had a son..."