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Larry Gude
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I need to modify my thoughts on this a bit... I am not trying to say these thugs have a complete consciousness of politics and social angst. What came out of their mouths was their interpretation of the narratives they have been fed through family, friends, community... parroting what has trickled down from Obama, Lynch, Sharpton, Jackson, Cornell West, BLM... They knew they wanted to attack a white person. They knew they were going to make it racial. They knew they were going to invoke Trump in some manner. Whether they understood any manner of who Trump is or what's been propagated out there about him; they knew enough because of what's been fed them. They are fully accountable to this.
And I'd like to add that I watched last nights Bill O'Reilly interview with Cornell West and some other black activist and self-proclaimed communist. They are calling for massive anti-Trump protests everywhere. Of course they are saying they want them to be peaceful. These are the people we are going to be dealing with stirring people up into a frenzy over Trump, and thugs like the ones in Chicago will be targeting cops and white people. This isn't some benign and peaceful movement. The goal has been and will continue to be to stir up violence and chaos. And the people that are at the front of this will be our soon-to-be community organizer Barack Obama, BLM, and all of the other usual characters in the radical black activist community. We know this because it's already happened. It will only get worse.
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Chris0nllyn
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No intent on my part. You just said he was silent, which he isn't as of yesterday.
Larry Gude
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If a freaking jazz player can get it, ANYONE should be able to.
Well done, Psy, well stated.
Only thing I'd change is remove Cornell West from that list. He can't stand Obama. Oh, and BLM comes off, too, because they are speaking out against this. They are denouncing this, leaving the Won sorta dangling.
Obama made a deal with the devil, Sharpton, to help win the office. Devil gets paid. And Obama gets to pay with his legacy for this.
They were going to do that anyway. Trump just gives them an "excuse".
Think about this:
What would incite you to violence against some random stranger? Is there anything anyone could say that would make you attack and beat some person you happened across, that you didn't know and who had nothing to do with you? Even an acquaintance, what would make you turn on them and beat them so viciously?
Probably nothing, right?
Well these people aren't you. There are millions and millions of not-yous in this country. They are already prone to violence and lawlessness. All they need is...nothing. I'm going to guess they don't spend a lot of time watching the news on TV, or the political talk shows. I will also venture out and say they have no idea who Cornell West is. They learned that Trump is evil through social media and their homies. In fact, they probably don't give much of a crap about Trump, probably couldn't pick him out of a lineup. They are completely ignorant rabid animals, going strictly on base primal instinct.
These people aren't you, Psy. Stop trying to relate to them.
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I agree only to the extent that I'm not really talking about the ones committing the violence. The people that are inciting them in the name of Trump know full-well that the 'thugs' will do their bidding. My ire isn't so much against the people committing the violence as it is the people that are feeding them the propaganda to incite them to anger. But even to that extent, people committing the violence know, to some degree, what they are doing.
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Pixelated
Below the belt. Bad form!
Larry Gude
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True. However, I made up for it by applauding how well you spelled it out. This incident is outrageous precisely because there are NOT millions and millions of people out there who do this sort of thing or anything remotely like it. This is extreme and, thankfully, rare. Your reasoning forms the basis of how to explain it, put it in context and ATTACK and destroy it. To dismiss this as just some ho hum, happens all the time thing is to entirely miss the point and the opportunity for some good to come from it.
I feel like I'm not speaking English. Or perhaps you're not understanding English.
They are going to commit violence anyway. Why does it matter whose name they invoke when they do it? They are already incited. They live incitement every single day. Add drugs into the mix, and man are those mindless animals incited.
The only thing #BLM and Cornell West contribute is the "excuse" so that the progbot media people can point to it as a "reason". That's it. Absent the antagonists, the violence will still happen, and the media people will have to make something up as to why. Folks like you will have to make up some reason why.
The simple reason is that they are mindless vicious animals. The end.
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Pixelated
The question is... who, in some position of influence is going to take this as an opportunity to perpetuate good; that may somehow wake folks up to the reality that 1) racism does exist on both sides and 2) there is a double-standard in our media and civil rights arena that needs to stop?
Larry Gude
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Ideally, public pressure and the shear ugliness of the thing will keep it in the spot light. Right now, no one is ducking this. Even Good Morning America showed it and didn't leave anything out including a shot of them shoving the kids fave into the toilet. They also made clear that one of the perps knew the kid and that the kid was a needs kid. This thing is wretched.
Add to that Ferguson Fatigue. People KNOW Micheal Brown was a bad kid. They KNOW Treyvon wasn't a little angel and they know Walter Scott's murderer was charged with murder and they know Laquans killer was charged with murder. They KNOW things are nowhere as bad as Obama and Sharpton have painted. They KNOW most cops are good and work very hard to do a very tough job and that the bad apples need to be removed. It scares hell out of people when cops get murdered and executed and the whole thing drifts out of proportion.
If some people get there way, nothing to see her, just rabid dogs, then, yeah, nothing god can come from it. If the heat stays on, if justice is allowed to do it's thing, there's no getting around these four having o try and defend the indefensible and there's no getting around all the people who've lost their sense of reason over Trump being forced to confront that THIS is the result of their irrationality. They've becoming everything they claim to fear.
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Sorry Vrai… but I don’t think you give these folks enough credit for the level that they are paying attention to the racial fear mongers and violence inciters. I think they ARE paying attention. I am 54 years old (just a tad older than you I believe) and I have not seen this level of racial unrest in my lifetime. And it’s not happening randomly or in a vacuum. It’s intentional. If the poor uneducated thug from inner-city Chicago is a useful tool for their purpose, they will use them. BLM and other radical leftist groups have called for violence, and there are plenty of radical bots to do their bidding. We have seen it happen over and over.
Larry Gude
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Well, first name that comes to mind is Trump. As this thing unfolds, I don't expect he'll miss a single opportunity to blame it one the media for inciting people with 'lies and bad things' they've said about him. Radio isn't going to let it go. Then, Hillary and Obama fans are going to be stuck either trying to defend the indefensible or trying to make the case that, while this is bad, Trump bears some responsibility. From there, they step RIGHT into it, that violence is justifiable depending on the circumstances and THAT is when it will get interesting because you run straight into the brick wall of 'by any means necessary' and that sort of logic and reasoning. Trump will keep up his end. I don't have much confidence in the GOP, broadly, because they've been AWOL for nearly 30 years relying on surrogates, like Limbaugh and others, to do their dirty work. There IS no fight gene in the GOP. The way Trump walked right through them, Jeb, Marco, Cruz, all of them, shows a pretty spineless group of yes men who really can;'t make an argument very well let alone keep it up, build a narrative to strengthen their ideas around. And that is so, I think, because what they do is constantly at odds with what they claim to be about; limited gummint.
In any event, this ugliness has happened and now, what?
Go ahead and be insulting because you don't want to see MY point.
You said this:
You don't feel their execution would be justified. I don't agree. I also don't see how anything is to be gained from "confronting why these people did this to him."
We know why they did this to him. Because they could. They're evil. They took advantage of a disabled person, a person who was not able to defend himself against all of them. They held him prisoner for 5 days and abused and tortured him.
There's a whole city of these same types of people in Chicago. They won't learn anything from any touchy feely programs designed to figure out why they did it. Those types of people are broken. They are not redeemable.
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And that's that.
Frankly, who cares *why* they did it. The fact is, they DID do it. The end, flip the switch. Race has no part in this situation, so for real can we stop with the race baiting bull####? Can we stop with the "oh, what was their reasoning?" kindergarten teacher hand wringing? "Use your words, little Tesfaye, and tell me how you're feeling."
That is such bull####.
PeoplesElbow
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With understanding why they did it the ideas and thought process that made it happened can be squashed and not just four of the many mindless drones.And that's that.
Race has no part in this situation, so for real can we stop with the race baiting bull####? Can we stop with the "oh, what was their reasoning?" kindergarten teacher hand wringing? "Use your words, little Tesfaye, and tell me how you're feeling."
That is such bull####.
I really hope they get life in prison and butt raped every day from now on, but there are more to take their place, don't fool yourself into thinking that there isn't.
PeoplesElbow
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Well this is a real #### sandwich.
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littlelady
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Well, it is about retribution, and all. Scary times we live in, indeed. The likes of R Emanuel are fueling the fire, on purpose. Any normal human being holding an important office would be trying to save their city. But, people like Emanuel and Obama WANT to create chaos. It is part of the globalist, socialist, change America agenda. I might be dense and a Pollyanna, but I get it, and so do so many other Americans. That is why Trump is prez elect. No other choice, at this point.