4 Years After Hussein's Fall, Regret in Iraq

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
Bring back the good old days they say!

The Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't


BAGHDAD, April 8 -- In a garage filled with classic motorcycles, Khadim al-Jubouri stared at the four-year-old magazines he usually keeps tucked inside a wooden desk. All of them contained photographs of a lone, burly man wearing a black tank top and swinging a sledgehammer into the base of a tall, bronze statue of Saddam Hussein. The man was Jubouri.

Just days earlier, he might have been executed for his actions.

But it was April 9, 2003.

Crowds of chanting Iraqis, some clutching stones and sandals, swarmed Firdaus Square to deliver blows to the statue. Then, with the help of an American tank and a winch, it toppled, creating one of the defining images of the U.S.-led invasion. Over one photo of Jubouri, a headline reads: "The Fall of Baghdad."

"It achieved nothing," he said, after he had put away the magazines.

Four years after that moment, with violence besieging the country, Jubouri is concerned with neither benchmarks nor timelines, troop strengths nor withdrawal dates. What he cares most about is security and order, of which, he said, he has seen very little. He blames Iraq's Shiite-led government and its security forces, and wishes for a return of the era led by the man whose statue he helped tear down.

"We got rid of a tyrant and tyranny. But we were surprised that after one thief had left, another 40 replaced him," said Jubouri, who is a Shiite Muslim. "Now, we regret that Saddam Hussein is gone, no matter how much we hated him."
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
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Just nuke the whole ###### middle east like I suggest.

It'll quiet right down.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
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I am all for bio fuels and alternative energy. Let the Middle East keep their oil. The Middle Eastern states will have very little power when their oil is not needed.
 

vraiblonde

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I'm not really all that interested in selective "news" that attempts to convince us that one or two folks speak for a whole nation. I find it irresponsible.
 

Toxick

Splat
vraiblonde said:
I'm not really all that interested in selective "news" that attempts to convince us that one or two folks speak for a whole nation. I find it irresponsible.


This isn't one or two folks though.


This is a guy who was in PICTURES! Desecrating Husseins Statue.



That certainly has to carry enough weight to convince you that no progress has been made in Iraq, at all, ever.
 

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
You really need to think about this: you lose the support of a pro-American harley riding Iraqi, and you've pretty much lost the country.



vraiblonde said:
I'm not really all that interested in selective "news" that attempts to convince us that one or two folks speak for a whole nation. I find it irresponsible.
 

vraiblonde

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forestal said:
You really need to think about this: you lose the support of a pro-American harley riding Iraqi, and you've pretty much lost the country.
If you say so.
 

Kerad

New Member
vraiblonde said:
I'm not really all that interested in selective "news" that attempts to convince us that one or two folks speak for a whole nation. I find it irresponsible.

"Selective News" or not...nobody in the Administration had any clue this would turn out as "screwed" as it has. Shining beacon of Democracy!?!?! Hell...we'll be thrilled if Iran doesn't just annex Iraq after this bungle. The Bushies have screwed the pooch on this one, and are only re-re-surging the surge to save face. They will drag this out until they're out of office, and no longer have to answer for it.

You have to wonder about a President that is so willing to throw American lives away just to not be "wrong".
 

protectmd

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Well if only Forestal had the chance to live under Saddams rule...
If Iran Annex's Iraq, you can count on all out war in the middle east. I think Turkey would back the Kurds, and Saudi Arabia, Jordan UAE and Kuwait would all want a piece of the pie. Not to mention the existing insurgents would give Iranian forces the same misery they have brought US troops, and im sure our secret ninja's would make sure there was no shortage of weapons for those who fight against Iran.

The enemy of our enemies is our friend.
 

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
Maybe you aren't paying attention. Well, there is no 'maybe'; you aren't paying attention. This guy lived under Saddam's rule, he helped tear down the statue, and he says he was better off under Saddam than living in this clusterfudge Bush created.


protectmd said:
Well if only Forestal had the chance to live under Saddams rule...
If Iran Annex's Iraq, you can count on all out war in the middle east. I think Turkey would back the Kurds, and Saudi Arabia, Jordan UAE and Kuwait would all want a piece of the pie. Not to mention the existing insurgents would give Iranian forces the same misery they have brought US troops, and im sure our secret ninja's would make sure there was no shortage of weapons for those who fight against Iran.

The enemy of our enemies is our friend.
 

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
He's willing to throw away the lives of our soldiers to protect legacy. If he can just turn this mess over to another President, the blame for failure can be shifted to someone else.


Kerad said:
"Selective News" or not...nobody in the Administration had any clue this would turn out as "screwed" as it has. Shining beacon of Democracy!?!?! Hell...we'll be thrilled if Iran doesn't just annex Iraq after this bungle. The Bushies have screwed the pooch on this one, and are only re-re-surging the surge to save face. They will drag this out until they're out of office, and no longer have to answer for it.

You have to wonder about a President that is so willing to throw American lives away just to not be "wrong".
 

Kerad

New Member
forestal said:
He's willing to throw away the lives of our soldiers to protect legacy. If he can just turn this mess over to another President, the blame for failure can be shifted to someone else.

Although I welcome the day that Dubya shocks us all and proves me wrong, I have zero faith in him, as it stands today.

I don't trust him to walk a dog without getting it killed, let alone run this county.
:mad:
 

Kerad

New Member
protectmd said:
Well if only Forestal had the chance to live under Saddams rule...
If Iran Annex's Iraq, you can count on all out war in the middle east. I think Turkey would back the Kurds, and Saudi Arabia, Jordan UAE and Kuwait would all want a piece of the pie. Not to mention the existing insurgents would give Iranian forces the same misery they have brought US troops, and im sure our secret ninja's would make sure there was no shortage of weapons for those who fight against Iran.

The enemy of our enemies is our friend.


Really?

Who was Iran's main enemy?
 

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