Proverbs 14:12

brendar buhl

Doesn't seem Christian
bcp said:
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Jesus is the way for all. I believe that it is spelled out rather plainly in the bible.
Of course it is, and that way (following the Bible) seems right to you, that's why you try to follow it. My point is that every religion proclaims itself as the one true way. Showing verses in the Bible that say to follow the Bible is great if you believe the Bible but useless if you don't.
 

Toxick

Splat
brendar buhl said:
Showing verses in the Bible that say to follow the Bible is great if you believe the Bible but useless if you don't.



I'm not entirely sure - but I think that's why this was posted in the Religious forums...


...So that people who are interested in Religious things may read, discuss, ponder and celebrate - while those who are not interested in Religious things have an brain-numbingly simple method of ignoring it.



Here's an idea - why don't you go over to the Horses forum and try to convince them that raising and riding horses is a big fat waste of time.
 

mygoldnhorse

Cowgirl Up
Toxick said:
I'm not entirely sure - but I think that's why this was posted in the Religious forums...


...So that people who are interested in Religious things may read, discuss, ponder and celebrate - while those who are not interested in Religious things have an brain-numbingly simple method of ignoring it.



Here's an idea - why don't you go over to the Horses forum and try to convince them that raising and riding horses is a big fat waste of time.
:yeahthat:
 

brendar buhl

Doesn't seem Christian
Toxick said:
I'm not entirely sure - but I think that's why this was posted in the Religious forums...


...So that people who are interested in Religious things may read, discuss, ponder and celebrate - while those who are not interested in Religious things have an brain-numbingly simple method of ignoring it.



Here's an idea - why don't you go over to the Horses forum and try to convince them that raising and riding horses is a big fat waste of time.
Do you feel like I am telling you that you are wasting your time? I am not. This forum is not limited to Bible believing Christians. As a Christian I often find myself in conversations with people who don't believe that the Bible is God's word, in which case Biblical discussions take on a different tone. Showing them verses in the Bible is never a waste of time but you can't expect them to give it the authority that you do either.
I thought that this could be an interesting conversation for this thread, that would fall under the "discuss" catagory that you listed above...maybe not. Maybe it's easier to just tell people to go away.
 

Toxick

Splat
brendar buhl said:
Do you feel like I am telling you that you are wasting your time? I am not. This forum is not limited to Bible believing Christians.


I never said it was.

In fact, when a bunch of muslims came around here a few weeks ago, I was more than happy to sit back and let them revel in their religion. I actually thought I might learn something, and I was more than a little upset that their initial posts were met with hostility and rancor.

But it turned out that they were a bunch of panty-waste twerps anyway. Instead of enjoying their Islam, they wanted to tell me (and others) what Christianity was, and what it was I actually believed. I would tell them straight up that "I believe in X", and they would sit there and tell me, "No, you actually believe in Y". Pfft.


Anyway, nobody wants this forum to be more diverse than I do. If for no other reason than people will stop saying that Christians are unfairly hogging the joint.



brendar buhl said:
As a Christian I often find myself in conversations with people who don't believe that the Bible is God's word, in which case Biblical discussions take on a different tone. Showing them verses in the Bible is never a waste of time but you can't expect them to give it the authority that you do either.


I almost never quote the bible when discussing it with nonbelievers. Well, I may quote it for effect, or to point somthing out, but I don't use it as evidence, or authority.


brendar buhl said:
I thought that this could be an interesting conversation for this thread,

Well, it may be an interesting conversation, but we have that very same conversation a lot. And it's usually had in competitive tones, if not outright hostility.


brendar buhl said:
that would fall under the "discuss" catagory that you listed above...maybe not. Maybe it's easier to just tell people to go away.

Sometimes it is.

Maybe I misread your intention. Sorry about that. You sounded like you had a chip on your shoulder, and I felt like plucking it off.
 

brendar buhl

Doesn't seem Christian
Toxick said:
Maybe I misread your intention. Sorry about that. You sounded like you had a chip on your shoulder, and I felt like plucking it off.

That's cool. I've been know to bait people from time-to-time.
Proverbs is a great book but sometimes it tricky to apply. Know what I mean?
 

Dondi

Dondi
brendar buhl said:
That's cool. I've been know to bait people from time-to-time.
Proverbs is a great book but sometimes it tricky to apply. Know what I mean?

You do have a point, brendar.

The above quote from Proverbs is speaking of the fact that man wants to go his way rather than the Lord's way, and more often than not, it leads to destruction.

We really have two choices: To obey God and do what is right. Or to disobey God and do wrong.
 

brendar buhl

Doesn't seem Christian
Dondi said:
You do have a point, brendar.

The above quote from Proverbs is speaking of the fact that man wants to go his way rather than the Lord's way, and more often than not, it leads to destruction.

We really have two choices: To obey God and do what is right. Or to disobey God and do wrong.

I'm pretty sure that you just made my point. Every religions sacred text contains verses claiming that it is the "only way". We, as fallible people, choose the way that "seems right to us" or as I like to say, "it appeals to our intellect" and we trust God to protect that intellect from being deceived.

If some one asked you why you are not a Hindu you could say, "because Hindu is a false religion". And the Hindu could say that Christianity is a false religion and neither of you would have said anything worth saying at all. The Hindu follows Hindu because he was brought up following Hindu and therefore it appeals to his intellect to continue following Hindu. Somewhere along the road there may be something that affects his intellect which causes him to change. Something else may begin to appeal to his intellect, but it probably won't be a person saying that Christianity is right and Hindu is wrong.
 

Dondi

Dondi
Since Proverbs was written to the Jews, by King Solomon no less, I would have to say that it is referring to the God of the Jews. The Jews know what God they serve, so this verse is not really referring to choosing a religion. It is about choosing what is morally right and wrong. A man left to his/her devices, without regard to God's commandments, are going the way that see fit, but will be their ruin, for they heeded not the commands of God for them.
 

brendar buhl

Doesn't seem Christian
Dondi said:
Since Proverbs was written to the Jews, by King Solomon no less, I would have to say that it is referring to the God of the Jews. The Jews know what God they serve, so this verse is not really referring to choosing a religion. It is about choosing what is morally right and wrong. A man left to his/her devices, without regard to God's commandments, are going the way that see fit, but will be their ruin, for they heeded not the commands of God for them.

It's interesting that you bring that up. Most people agree about what is or isn't "moral behavior" no matter what their religion is. Similarly, we all struggle to choose the good over the bad. Like Paul said, "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing." You said that "The Jews know what God they serve..." But the Bible shows that the Jews were constantly adulterating their relationship with God by following idols and false gods (same way we do). You also mentioned Solomon, of the three kings of the united tribes of Isreal King Solomon was the worst when it comes to following other gods. He struggled with that because he married women from other religions and he allowed them to influence his spiritual life.
The things in life that distract us from our relationship with God are the same whether it is a false god or a shiny new car or a sweet looking girl that I should leave alone. Everyone has their weakness.
 

Dondi

Dondi
Yeah, God had to deal with the reality that His People kept idolizing, womanizing, and woefully short of what God expected of them. Kinda like a PK.

God only gave Solomon wisdom, not common sense.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Something tells me all you folks that don't believe that come into these threads are looking for something to convince you to believe.

A little curious... no? :tap:
 

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
Other good stuff from our dear Lord...



Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

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vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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Patron
forestal said:
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
One of my favorites :yay: But I like all of Exodus - almost as good as Lamentations.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Nucklesack said:
Not to pick points with you, but the Religion Forums states :



Why would you have to believe in order to have a discussion?

And how is the Religion forum different than the Political ones?
I'm trying to follow your train of thought.

First of all I never said you had to believe to have discussions in this forum. I simply trying to incite the discussion that folks that don't believe either come in here to cause disagreement (which I find nothing necessarily wrong with, unless your only purpose is to cause disruptive trouble) or because they are looking for something to help them take that next step to believing.

I would say the difference between the religious and political forums is the religious are typically for folks that want to share their faith with each other. The political forums are designed to create an environment of debate of political spectrums. However, folks attempt to turn the religious forum into a "anyone that believes in such a thing as a God is a fool and I'm going to tell you so".
 
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