firstroundko
Registered Devil Dog
It appears to be working in other cities across the US:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17966589/from/RS.2/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17966589/from/RS.2/
Let's propose a mall curfew for St. Charles Town Center
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AndyMarquisLIVE
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firstroundko said:
firstroundko
Registered Devil Dog
Does anyone know who the management company is? If enough people mention this initiative (and the win/win situation it has caused for both customers/businesses), I really think we have a shot at taking back control of our mall.
If you have friends or family that shop at St. Charles, spread the word.......
If you have friends or family that shop at St. Charles, spread the word.......
Dork
Highlander's MPD
firstroundko said:
This is a good idea but will probably never happen here in this liberal state. After all, where else can parants get rid of the kids so they don't have to be parents AND have the peace of mind knowing there are mall security guards and store employees who will look out for their darlings. Have you ever noticed the parents dropping kids off at the entrances and driving off? FREE BABYSITTING! And, if something happens, they can sue the mall even though the kids were there unattended by parents
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juggy4805
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ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
This law went into effect about 2 years ago at the Charlestown mall . I know John, the mall manager, and he said it has been a real blessing. This is the rule: if you are not shopping or eating there, you can't hang out/loiter there. There have been too many shootings, fights, loud cussing and sexual abuse there and the patrons wanted it stopped. Sadly, it is mostly caused by kids.
I've run a teen club called "My Brother's Place" in Waldorf since 1995 and because of us many kids have stopped hanging out at the mall on Friday night. This is because they have a fun, safe place to go to and we have a rule there: if you leave our place on Friday night, you can't come back in that night.
AGAIN, all kids need is something to do to keep boredom away. Parents, the anti mall drug, the anti my space drug (have you seen the pictures that YOUR kids are putting on there, the girls especially???!!!)
I've run a teen club called "My Brother's Place" in Waldorf since 1995 and because of us many kids have stopped hanging out at the mall on Friday night. This is because they have a fun, safe place to go to and we have a rule there: if you leave our place on Friday night, you can't come back in that night.
AGAIN, all kids need is something to do to keep boredom away. Parents, the anti mall drug, the anti my space drug (have you seen the pictures that YOUR kids are putting on there, the girls especially???!!!)
That's what we were when we were teens :shrug:desertrat said:
They should give me a taser and hire me for mall security. I guarantee there would be no more problems and all loitering teens would be carrying your packages and opening your doors, yes ma'am, no sir.
The mall isn't a bad place. I don't know how you would "enforce" such a curfew. If your a kid and your walking around at the mall, your to be removed from mall property and banned for 1 year? If you return you'll be charged with "criminal trespassing?" Whats that smell.... ah LAWSUIT! I smell racial profiling. I smell loss of revenue. Its bad enough that I have to leave walmart and have to deal with their non LEO employees searching through my just purchased property treating me like a shoplifting suspect, clearly violating my constitutional right not to be illegally searched.
How would you enforce a curfew law, Ah you look like a younger kid, lemme see your ID? Once this law is enforced, where do you think the "kids" are going to go? Parking lots. Streets. Highways. Bowling Ally's, and behind book stores. Certainly not to My Brothers Place. I think forcing them out of the mall area isn't going to do anything. I also think if there is problems like fights and whatnot at St. Charles Town Center, the majority of the problems aren't caused by kids. They are caused by people over the age of 18. I highly doubt that 14 year olds are the ones doing shootings, stabbings, and robbery on mall property. Yes the younger ones do contribute to the bad of the place however they aren't the problem. Getting rid of them only moves the problem. If you have a problem as it stands deal with it, right now its contained to the mall. If I was Security/police (im not) then I would rather deal with the crowd of 50 isolated in the mall, rather than them spread out across the city of waldorf doing whatever it is that they may do. Before they were window shopping, but with nothing to do other than roam the streets on a friday night during the summer, I have a feeling that the crime rate isn't going to go down in this county.
The mall isn't so bad as is. I think some things need to be changed.... (The Mall Security is a joke) aka Turkey Bacon. They should be trained better in crowd managing techniques, take a more aggressive stance against those who do break the law, and increase police presence on mall property on heavily populated nights. Don't punish the group because of a few bad apples. If you have a fight, mace the idiots involved. Make examples, if you fight, your going to pay. Feel free to escort the accused through the mall in handcuffs to ensure that everyone sees what happens when you screw up. Once others see the people being hauled away in cop cars, see them in handcuffs, see them crying like babies because of the new set of OC goggles they earned your going to see a change in atmosphere. It speaks volumes.
How would you enforce a curfew law, Ah you look like a younger kid, lemme see your ID? Once this law is enforced, where do you think the "kids" are going to go? Parking lots. Streets. Highways. Bowling Ally's, and behind book stores. Certainly not to My Brothers Place. I think forcing them out of the mall area isn't going to do anything. I also think if there is problems like fights and whatnot at St. Charles Town Center, the majority of the problems aren't caused by kids. They are caused by people over the age of 18. I highly doubt that 14 year olds are the ones doing shootings, stabbings, and robbery on mall property. Yes the younger ones do contribute to the bad of the place however they aren't the problem. Getting rid of them only moves the problem. If you have a problem as it stands deal with it, right now its contained to the mall. If I was Security/police (im not) then I would rather deal with the crowd of 50 isolated in the mall, rather than them spread out across the city of waldorf doing whatever it is that they may do. Before they were window shopping, but with nothing to do other than roam the streets on a friday night during the summer, I have a feeling that the crime rate isn't going to go down in this county.
The mall isn't so bad as is. I think some things need to be changed.... (The Mall Security is a joke) aka Turkey Bacon. They should be trained better in crowd managing techniques, take a more aggressive stance against those who do break the law, and increase police presence on mall property on heavily populated nights. Don't punish the group because of a few bad apples. If you have a fight, mace the idiots involved. Make examples, if you fight, your going to pay. Feel free to escort the accused through the mall in handcuffs to ensure that everyone sees what happens when you screw up. Once others see the people being hauled away in cop cars, see them in handcuffs, see them crying like babies because of the new set of OC goggles they earned your going to see a change in atmosphere. It speaks volumes.
Qurious
Im On 1.
Went to the mall on Friday and there was extra security because of the Carnival they have going on over there. The Sherrifs were actually walking with the regular mall security.
Being at the mall made me think of all the hoopla some of you folks make about how bad the place is and I took a look around and trying my hardest to see what in the blue hell is soooo wrong with it? Couldn't find any reasons or any drama there so I kept shopping.
In any event...I don't think this curfew is going to do anything but upset alot of parents. "hey mom I'm going to the mall with my friends." How many of us have said that and mom was like "okay, have fun." People continue to keep taking the fun out of being a child/teenager and I really don't see why. Since when is the mall suppose to be catering to the "family?" The majority of the stores thrive on financial gain from teengers or young adults. To tell these kids they have to get out of the mall because the assumption is made they are the ones causing trouble is terrible.
Being at the mall made me think of all the hoopla some of you folks make about how bad the place is and I took a look around and trying my hardest to see what in the blue hell is soooo wrong with it? Couldn't find any reasons or any drama there so I kept shopping.
In any event...I don't think this curfew is going to do anything but upset alot of parents. "hey mom I'm going to the mall with my friends." How many of us have said that and mom was like "okay, have fun." People continue to keep taking the fun out of being a child/teenager and I really don't see why. Since when is the mall suppose to be catering to the "family?" The majority of the stores thrive on financial gain from teengers or young adults. To tell these kids they have to get out of the mall because the assumption is made they are the ones causing trouble is terrible.
Qurious said:
the mall should not be used as a place to meet your friends and hang out(loiter); and hopefully "mom" said do what you need to do and leave and don't be an A%*hole while there. I'm tired of parents not parenting and acting as if they have no clue to what is going on. Parents-- stop letting your little fu*&%rs run wild and terrorizing people/places. some kids i've seen hanging out just want to be seen and are causing a scene. how many are actually at the mall to buy something or at the least not part of the disruption/mayhem? do something productive or educational with that time.
Bay_Kat
Tropical
firstroundko said:
This is the management company for the mall.
http://www.simon.com/mall/default.aspx?ID=123
Coventry17
New Member
I would support a curfew, it has been done successfully all over the U.S. in various cities/counties. The mall is no place for someone with no shopping agenda.
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oldnavy
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I would welcome this, but see the age of 21 as being a little extreme. My 19 year old daughter who goes to college in Lynchburg, VA...away from her mom and me would not be able to go to the mall by herself and does not have the option of being escorted by an adult. Age 18 seems to be more appropriate.
Child care in the mall? Sounds like an Amber Alert waiting to happen. Its clear that if there is a problem, Mall curfew is just the wrong answer to an underlying problem that we may or may not have in this county. Its not bad parenting. Thats everywhere you go. Solution? I have the solution.
You want to drop your kids off somewhere but we don't have a "boys and girls club" in Charles County. If we did, the place would be packed probably till 11 at night if it was open that late.
Then of course you say to yourself, what about school activities? Why aren't the kids involved? Well... Most of them are, except the ones who do not have a 2.0 and below. Those kids are dropped off at the mall. Those are the ones who didn't make the football team because they didn't have the grades, or whatever.
Theres some other options for you parents who want to drop your kids off and "leave them." type deal.
If you live near a fire department and your kid is ages 14 to 16, most fire departments have a cadet program. Look into it and see if they do, if they do, you can try and put your kid in that. The firehouse is not a babysitting service, it is volunteer and your kid will learn something, that is if they want to. It might help keep them "off the streets" and it will definately lower your taxes because your kid volunteering their time will keep the county from hiring more paid personnel. Most places want new members and your kid is more than welcome to join. I hear Mechanicsville has a great "cadet" program.
Boyscouts. I know it sounds cheesy but kids ages 11-17 are more than welcome to join any of the boyscout troops in So. Md. Theres a troop in every major location and they are always looking for new members. Its a chance for your kid to see the great outdoors, learn something and learn skills he can use for the rest of his life.
Church Youth Groups. Again, another place you can "drop your kid off at" and they will teach him/her about the bible and most of them do fun activities like field trips and picnics and whatnot.
Theres alot of other things out there too. The mall certainly isn't a babysitting service and if im ever attacked by some random group of hoodlums at the mall, they better pray that the police deal with them before I do.
You want to drop your kids off somewhere but we don't have a "boys and girls club" in Charles County. If we did, the place would be packed probably till 11 at night if it was open that late.
Then of course you say to yourself, what about school activities? Why aren't the kids involved? Well... Most of them are, except the ones who do not have a 2.0 and below. Those kids are dropped off at the mall. Those are the ones who didn't make the football team because they didn't have the grades, or whatever.
Theres some other options for you parents who want to drop your kids off and "leave them." type deal.
If you live near a fire department and your kid is ages 14 to 16, most fire departments have a cadet program. Look into it and see if they do, if they do, you can try and put your kid in that. The firehouse is not a babysitting service, it is volunteer and your kid will learn something, that is if they want to. It might help keep them "off the streets" and it will definately lower your taxes because your kid volunteering their time will keep the county from hiring more paid personnel. Most places want new members and your kid is more than welcome to join. I hear Mechanicsville has a great "cadet" program.
Boyscouts. I know it sounds cheesy but kids ages 11-17 are more than welcome to join any of the boyscout troops in So. Md. Theres a troop in every major location and they are always looking for new members. Its a chance for your kid to see the great outdoors, learn something and learn skills he can use for the rest of his life.
Church Youth Groups. Again, another place you can "drop your kid off at" and they will teach him/her about the bible and most of them do fun activities like field trips and picnics and whatnot.
Theres alot of other things out there too. The mall certainly isn't a babysitting service and if im ever attacked by some random group of hoodlums at the mall, they better pray that the police deal with them before I do.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
protectmd said:
You're missing the point. Your solutions you put forth would require parent participation in one form or another. These are parents that don't want anything to do with their kids. They don't even want to encourage them to do something constructive with their lives. It's easier to throw 20 bucks at 'em and drop 'em off at the mall.