LibertyBeacon
Unto dust we shall return
My firm self-insures our employees.
Affected by Obamacare?
- Thread starter Sparx
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So you believe that everyone who has limited or no health insurance, by personal choice, does not pay for the health care services they receive?
Okay. So, you have insurance through your firm. I've worked for companies who self insured before. In fact, the SMCPS and CSM self insure.
No.
Good.
I see variations on the "we're paying for everyone else that does not have health insurance" theme pop up a lot and lies like that drive me nuts.
While there are many who are able to underwrite their healthcare costs without insurance, there are also many who aren't able to underwrite their healthcare costs without insurance. It is that group who leave hospitals with uncompensated care costs and those costs are passed on to those who do pay. Higher healthcare costs, higher premiums, etc.
So now we have higher healthcare costs and higher premiums anyway...according to some recent data, even more higher thanks to Obamacare. Cool fix..excellent result.
SG_Player1974
New Member
Bottom line is that the ACA has little to NO chance of working.... PERIOD!
What makes Obammy think that people who couldn't be bothered to get up and find employment or even take care of themselves with government aid will take the time to pay their ACA copays and fund the system?
My guess is that most will continue to sit on the behinds, get fined, and fail to pay those too!
What makes Obammy think that people who couldn't be bothered to get up and find employment or even take care of themselves with government aid will take the time to pay their ACA copays and fund the system?
My guess is that most will continue to sit on the behinds, get fined, and fail to pay those too!
PsyOps
Pixelated
I was simply answering Sparx:
“Lose sight that there are going to be winners”? You seem to have a strange way of defining what a winner is… Winning and losing is premised on those that win by earning it, not by having it handed to them from some powerful intermediary.
In the instance of Obamacare, “a lot of them” will end up losing in the end when there are more winners than losers, and the losers can no longer provide to the winners. And if the goal is to make everyone a ‘winner’ (which it is); from whom will the goodies come from?
glhs837
Power with Control
Just took them to a register. Any register, didn't matter. Been what, more than a year since they said you couldnt do it, if the companies (we have switch once) had an issue, I think they would have spoken up.
Tilted
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Not in this context it isn't, not necessarily. You've never heard an expression such as this: Who are the winners and losers with this? It isn't asking who deserves to win or who has earned a win, it's asking who benefits from whatever circumstance - whatever policy - whatever development - is being referred to. It isn't like asking who won the basketball game, it's asking who comes out ahead as a result of... whatever. A couple gets divorced, who are the winners and losers here? Often someone might say, neither the man nor the woman nor, especially, the children win. The winners are the attorneys, they benefit because people get divorced - even the nominally losing attorney might benefit, might win.
It's an expression, and not that uncommon a one I think.
ArkRescue
Adopt me please !
If they put you in jail for not paying up, I'll help to organize the visits from your SoMD friends .............
MMDad
Lem Putt
They better hope your plan isn't audited. If you don't have a prescription or Dr. note stating that it is medically necessary then you cannot use an FSA to buy it.
muah ha haa. But...there are no penalties for not paying the penalty, so to speak. I stand a greater chance of goin' to jail for ruining a good steak on the grill.If they put you in jail for not paying up, I'll help to organize the visits from your SoMD friends .............
Tilted
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Indeed, you just have to make sure you don't - at some point in the future - overpay estimated taxes. The IRS will keep overpayments, rather than refund (all of) them, to satisfy your outstanding "shared responsibility payment" liability.muah ha haa. But...there are no penalties for not paying the penalty, so to speak. I stand a greater chance of goin' to jail for ruining a good steak on the grill.
glhs837
Power with Control
Maybe HSAs got a pass of some kind?
Well aware of that. It's not too difficult to manage that aspect when you are self-employed (or even if yr not, actually). Now that I know they'll be looking for that chance to steal even more of my money, I'll pay extra close attention to "ew owes ew".
PsyOps
Pixelated
Of course I’ve heard that, and a lot when talking about entitlements. I’ve always found it odd to consider people receiving something free, that is forcefully taken from others, as winners. I’ve always thought of winners as people that earned what they won. Because we choose to use these terms gives the impression that people getting things for free – not earning it – are winners is a good thing; and it reflects in the growing entitlement society.
Isn’t crazy that we refer to the winners (those who put the effort in and succeeded) as losers, and the losers (those who failed to win in the fair market for lack of effort or the wrong solution for winning) as winners.
cwo_ghwebb
No Use for Donk Twits
Koch Brothers are a household name now. Why not Tom Steyers, the biggest roadblock to the Keystone Pipeline? $100M in Donk contributions, I would venture to guess.
Tilted
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Such is the nature of our language, we use the same words in different contexts to mean quite different things. For instance, apparently we (acceptably) use the word peruse in respective contexts either to mean read something carefully OR read something not carefully. It is what it is, the english language - quite powerful, quite colorful, but also confounding sometimes.