Affordable Housing

[cdsulhoff]

I would like to see the CRE HOA disappear.

 

[Midnightrider]

i'd vote for that

 

[Midnightrider]

If you benefit the builder by giving him a tax break or require less TDR's for the property... then he has the funds back that he would have made had he built a mcmansion....

so what you are saying is raise our taxes so that the builder can get a kick back for building someone a mall house ?


Thats ok, i'd rather you just lower the taxes

 

[BadGirl]

If you sell to a developer and the zoning is residential single family homes then wouldn't it make sense for the developer to build all the houses he can... and if he builds some that are say ranchers instead of mcmansions that are nice but affordable for a young hardworking family.... don't you feel he should see some benefit?

He shold be permitted to build whatever the hell he wants to build, and what brings him the greatest profit - allowing the property is rated for that particular zoning. If you are concerned about affordable housing, there is nothing saying that you can't purchase my 10 acres for 1.5 million and then build $100,000 homes on it and selling them as "affordable".

 

[cdsulhoff]

so what you are saying is raise our taxes so that the builder can get a kick back for building someone a mall house ?


Thats ok, i'd rather you just lower the taxes

Wait let me see it I am getting this right.
So she is saying that we give the Builder a tax break ( a builder that lives in MC Mansion) and raise the tax for people like us who works for every dime. So we can only give uncle Sam more of my money to give to the poor because they can not afford to live here. Well if that is correct I say BS!!
BS!! BS!!!

Shait like that makes people stay in their poverty state.. They get everything handed to them. Why would they want to stop that..
Can I stress BS BS BS!!!!!

 

[cdsulhoff]

Here is a off topic question.
What do you think of Bill Chambers who is also running?

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

What do you contribute to the County and Federal Government in terms of taxes? Sales tax don't count.

Yes, sales taxes do count. Still a tax payer.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

So just how are your going to stop people from coming in? Put up a big gate? Stop everyone at the county line..........what?

The growth that is overloading 29b and all of St. Mary's County and I say causing the inflation and overloading in Calvert County too is all fueled by the Pax Navy Base expantions and new projects. So by stopping those projects and get many sent right back out of here then the multitude of workers and families that follow the Navy jobs will go out to wherever those projects are moved too. It will be better for those workers and families because they would move to a place where the infrastucture can handle the load and we would get the relief too. It is a win - win situation, but only if I win the election because the persons we have now are only feeding the greed and dumping onto this area.

If we want it to improve then we must vote for it to get better.

 

[BadGirl]

Yes, sales taxes do count. Still a tax payer.

Of course they count. But my question to you was what taxes - besides sales tax - do you pay to the state and the federal government?

 

[hvp05]

The growth that is overloading 29b Pax Navy Base infrastucture

Translation: I won't 'stop' people from coming in; I will turn St. Mary's into such a worthless mound of shiat no one will want to come here!

It is a win - win situation

I don't see you as part of this equation, especially when spouting your typical drivel. (See above for examples of drivel.)

It's kind of funny how the "Republican" and the Democrat have come to see eye-to-eye on this affordable housing issue. One plan will bring turn a good area rotten by admitting spineless scum; another plan will turn a good area rotten by driving away the honest, educated, hard-working class. The confusing part is: which is which?

 

[bcp]

Yes, sales taxes do count. Still a tax payer.

if all of your income is derived from the government without producing anything of value to the community (and this would be your case) then sales tax do not count becuase you are still a drain on society.

see, even though you pay sales tax on the items you purchase, since you are using free gubmint money to purchase and pay those taxes the net profit realized by the government is still only considered a reduction in the base amount that you get for being a non producing leach on society.


see, I can put it in nice words.

 

[residentofcre]

Wait let me see it I am getting this right.
So she is saying that we give the Builder a tax break ( a builder that lives in MC Mansion) and raise the tax for people like us who works for every dime. So we can only give uncle Sam more of my money to give to the poor because they can not afford to live here. Well if that is correct I say BS!!
BS!! BS!!!

Shait like that makes people stay in their poverty state.. They get everything handed to them. Why would they want to stop that..
Can I stress BS BS BS!!!!!

I don't think you have it correct at all.... Builders in Calvert have to pay an impact fee of $12,900 for every house they build.... that is passed on to the buyer.... In some cases they also have to transfer development rights [tdr] to build a neighborhood... now because they have only so much land to build on they build only mcmansions so they can recoup the costs.... that means that you have only houses for say $500,000 [just for example] to choose from instead of a smaller house for $200,000 in a good neighborhood....

Now.... the other plan would be to allow the builder to pay a lower impact fee if he will build a couple of smaller homes in mcmansion village instead of all mcmansions.... or maybe the County would ask for less TDRs if the developer were to agree to build a few smaller homes... that way someone like a school teacher, or firefighter, or police officer, or an administrative assistant or bookkeeper can afford to buy a home here and continue to work here...

That's my kind of my definition of how an affordable home program would work.

 

[residentofcre]

Here is a off topic question.
What do you think of Bill Chambers who is also running?

I know of him and I have met him a couple of times.

 

[Lugnut]

I don't think you have it correct at all.... Builders in Calvert have to pay an impact fee of $12,900 for every house they build.... that is passed on to the buyer.... In some cases they also have to transfer development rights [tdr] to build a neighborhood... now because they have only so much land to build on they build only mcmansions so they can recoup the costs.... that means that you have only houses for say $500,000 [just for example] to choose from instead of a smaller house for $200,000 in a good neighborhood....

Now.... the other plan would be to allow the builder to pay a lower impact fee if he will build a couple of smaller homes in mcmansion village instead of all mcmansions.... or maybe the County would ask for less TDRs if the developer were to agree to build a few smaller homes... that way someone like a school teacher, or firefighter, or police officer, or an administrative assistant or bookkeeper can afford to buy a home here and continue to work here...

That's my kind of my definition of how an affordable home program would work.

Becky you said it yourself above...

Builders in Calvert have to pay an impact fee of $12,900 for every house they build.... that is passed on to the buyer.... .

How would eliminating a $12,900 fee that the builder does not pay (you said so yourself) induce that same builder to accept a reduction in profit of nearly $300K (200K house Vs 500K house minus 13K impact fee)?

 

[residentofcre]

Becky you said it yourself above...



How would eliminating a $12,900 fee that the builder does not pay (you said so yourself) induce that same builder to accept a reduction in profit of nearly $300K (200K house Vs 500K house minus 13K impact fee)?

I didn't say elimate [if I did I made a big mistake...] On the house that is $200K they would pay a lower fee or a reduction in the number of tdr's...

And he wouldn't loose $300 K... cause the McMansion costs more to build....

You know... this is a very difficult subject... but I think we have done an excellent job of discussing it....

We don't want to overbuild... so we want either smart growth or slow growth
We don't want subsidized housing... so if we do allow townhomes of Condo's then they have to be luxury and have to run as much as a small house ... for those who don't want to mow lawns etc....
We don't want to pay more taxes.... So we have to build a better budget...

 

[willie]

I didn't say elimate [if I did I made a big mistake...] On the house that is $200K they would pay a lower fee or a reduction in the number of tdr's...

And he wouldn't loose $300 K... cause the McMansion costs more to build....

You know... this is a very difficult subject... but I think we have done an excellent job of discussing it....

We don't want to overbuild... so we want either smart growth or slow growth
We don't want subsidized housing... so if we do allow townhomes of Condo's then they have to be luxury and have to run as much as a small house ... for those who don't want to mow lawns etc....
We don't want to pay more taxes.... So we have to build a better budget...

McMansions are selling. When they stop selling, they will stop building them.

De-valuing TDR's and cutting back impact fee's is another word for 'subsidized housing'. This sounds like a Democrats solution. I doubt it could survive a court challenge. The original purpose of the impact fee was to ease the impact on the school system. Your proposal increases the impact while it decreases the fee. Here comes more taxes to take up the slack.

Besides possibly being illegal, builders will not go for it. What is not being figured into the equation is the much higher profit from a McMansion over a 200k home. If you're going to create incentives (bribe) to switch to affordable housing it would have to be an amount that even Congressman Jefferson might hesitate.

 

[cdsulhoff]

I don't think you have it correct at all.... Builders in Calvert have to pay an impact fee of $12,900 for every house they build.... that is passed on to the buyer.... In some cases they also have to transfer development rights [tdr] to build a neighborhood... now because they have only so much land to build on they build only mcmansions so they can recoup the costs.... that means that you have only houses for say $500,000 [just for example] to choose from instead of a smaller house for $200,000 in a good neighborhood....

Now.... the other plan would be to allow the builder to pay a lower impact fee if he will build a couple of smaller homes in mcmansion village instead of all mcmansions.... or maybe the County would ask for less TDRs if the developer were to agree to build a few smaller homes... that way someone like a school teacher, or firefighter, or police officer, or an administrative assistant or bookkeeper can afford to buy a home here and continue to work here...

That's my kind of my definition of how an affordable home program would work.

My neighbor is a teacher and my friend is a police officer. Now with that being said, my neighbor who decided to live within the 30mile radius of her work got a huge kick back on her house. She did not pay nearly what we would. My friend on the other hand decided not to live close to work. He out for paying more for his houses. You say this would help the "community workers". Do you not think they get enough incentives as it is.. You keep on stressing about how to keep people in here. We do not have that problem! The problem we have is too many people moving in here. I am all for having Calvert being another Potomac Maryland. They have growth but yet they have an upscale control county..

"The Teacher Next Door" this program is for teacher or any personnel in the school system. They offer you to buy a house with only $100 down and 50% off the retail of the house.. I wish I had that kind of incentives at a job.

http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/reo/goodn/tnd.cfm Teachers
http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/reo/goodn/fnd.cfm Firefighter/ EMT
http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/reo/goodn/ond.cfm Police officers

 

[MMDad]

I didn't say elimate [if I did I made a big mistake...] On the house that is $200K they would pay a lower fee or a reduction in the number of tdr's...

And he wouldn't loose $300 K... cause the McMansion costs more to build....

You know... this is a very difficult subject... but I think we have done an excellent job of discussing it....

We don't want to overbuild... so we want either smart growth or slow growth
We don't want subsidized housing... so if we do allow townhomes of Condo's then they have to be luxury and have to run as much as a small house ... for those who don't want to mow lawns etc....
We don't want to pay more taxes.... So we have to build a better budget...

Becky, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You have helped me to decide not to vote for you.

You claim to be a Republican, but your housing ideas are positively socialist.

Do you honestly believe that there is no affordable housing in southern Calvert? There are places in CRE that are two bedroom, one bath, selling for less than $100K. If you are young, inexperienced, and trying to start out, is that unreasonable?

No, you cannot buy a house adequate for your three kids if you have a minimum wage job. But that's your fault for only having minimum wage qualifications.

Instead of trying to bring the housing market down to the bottom, where the crime is, why not find ways to help the poor people help themselves? Bring better jobs and job training to the area? Wouldn't the housing follow?

 

[Charles]

When Patuxent Business Park gets operational, there will be more jobs than this county needs. Anybody undermining the TDR program will never get my vote.

 

[residentofcre]

OK... I get it....

I see that the Affordable Housing effort is going to be something that I will have to leave for others who are willing to nod heads for you and then do as they please....

If I'm going to represent the residents of Calvert County then that means taking care of the wants and needs of the residents... not the potential residents....

So as far as growth goes.... I hear that the majority of you want to hold the line as it is now....

Then that's what I will work for.... I'll be door knocking soon... I am sure I will learn a lot from all of you....

That's what I mean by listening... researching... and making a decision... I may not agree with the majority... but as Commissioner I think its the job of the Commissioner to do what the majority wants ....