Alabama SCOTUS-Embryos are children IVF Banned

StmarysCity79

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The Alabama Supreme Court stunned the nation earlier this week by ruling that frozen embryos are children under state law. The decision has vast implications not only for abortion rights in Alabama, but also for treatments like in vitro fertilization, or IVF, which help couples struggling with infertility to conceive children. Some fertility clinics in Alabama have already paused the service while they analyze the full implications of the ruling.

3 Fertility clinics have since paused all procedures in the wake of the ruling.

On Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley told NBC News that she supported the Alabama ruling, stating,Embryos, to me, are babies.” But just a few hours later, Haley seemed to walk back her comment on CNN, saying, “I didn’t say that I agreed with the Alabama ruling.” She added, however, that she still believes “an embryo is an unborn baby.”

And on Thursday, Haley again tried to clean up her answer, saying that the court decision may have been right but that there needed to be a new law: “I think that the court was doing it based on the law, and I think Alabama needs to go back and look at the law.”

At the Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland on Thursday, Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., replied, “Yeah, I was all for it,” when asked what he thought of the decision finding that embryos are children.

But he also seemed unclear on what the decision was.

“You know, you just got to look at everything going on in the country. It’s just an attack on families stacked on kids,” he told NBC News.

“We need more kids,” he added. “We need people to have an opportunity to have kids.”


South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott evaded a question Thursday about Alabama’s ruling, saying, “Well, I haven’t studied the issue.”

 

Ken King

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I take it you didn't read the opinion (given your thread headline), same goes for the NBCNews reporter that crafted that hit piece. The court in no way banned IVF, this court rightly stated that they were not going to legislate from the bench and if an exclusion to the law in question was to be found the legislature and executive are the ones to craft it.

I'll attach a .pdf for those that care enough to read it. While it is 131 pages you get to the conclusion about page 25.
 

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StmarysCity79

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I take it you didn't read the opinion (given your thread headline), same goes for the NBCNews reporter that crafted that hit piece. The court in no way banned IVF, this court rightly stated that they were not going to legislate from the bench and if an exclusion to the law in question was to be found the legislature and executive are the ones to craft it.

I'll attach a .pdf for those that care enough to read it. While it is 131 pages you get to the conclusion about page 25.

D'UH. But they have opened up IVF facilities to so much liability they will be forced to cease operations.

Just like when they couldn't close abortion clinics so they changed the rules about how wide the halls needed to be and how many miles from a. hospital they could be.


Think man. Use your brain.
 

Kyle

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StmarysCity79

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What rule was changed by the court?

Do you not ever read? anything but this forum?

This is all an effort by republicans and the judiciary to restrict abortion above and beyond the restrictions already in place.

And a large reason Dems keep turning out to vote and republicans keep losing elections

This si one example but its happening nationwide

The restrictions Khan described are known as TRAP laws – targeted regulation of abortion providers. When Pennsylvania enacted its law in 2011, both chambers of the legislature were controlled by Republicans.

Rep. Tarik Khan (D-Philadelphia), who is a nurse practitioner, said the law signed by then-Gov. Tom Corbett in 2011 required abortion clinics to “obtain and maintain burdensome and unnecessary expensive structural modifications.” The law mandates specialized elevators, flooring and HVAC units, and places restrictions on the size of how big hallways and procedure rooms must be.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Do you not ever read? anything but this forum?
Yep, sure do. What I don't do is take a case about wrongful death of a child and try to tie it to something unrelated like you, and other fringe lunatics, are doing here. The only issue brought to bear is that of if the company fertilizing and storing the specimen hold any responsibility for the destruction of said specimen by not adequately protecting them.
 

StmarysCity79

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Yep, sure do. What I don't do is take a case about wrongful death of a child and try to tie it to something unrelated like you, and other fringe lunatics, are doing here. The only issue brought to bear is that of if the company fertilizing and storing the specimen hold any responsibility for the destruction of said specimen by not adequately protecting them.


Wrong.

The person who accidentally dropped the embryos is being held responsible and could be charged with murder since these crazed religious zealots said the embryos are children.

Now other IVF providers are dropping their services as they dont want to take the risk of the same.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Not wrong.
The person who accidentally dropped the embryos is being held responsible and could be charged with murder since these crazed religious zealots said the embryos are children.
Really? An unauthorized person gained access through an unsecured entry point and dropped the specimens when its hand became freezer burnt while handling the specimen containers.

And actually it isn't religious zealots that said they are children, it is Alabama law that says they are.
Now other IVF providers are dropping their services as they dont want to take the risk of the same.
So all these IVF providers dropping their services feel they shouldn't be required to protect the specimens that they have contracted to do. That's their argument.
 

Bare-ya-cuda

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Do you not ever read? anything but this forum?

This is all an effort by republicans and the judiciary to restrict abortion above and beyond the restrictions already in place.

And a large reason Dems keep turning out to vote and republicans keep losing elections

This si one example but its happening nationwide

The restrictions Khan described are known as TRAP laws – targeted regulation of abortion providers. When Pennsylvania enacted its law in 2011, both chambers of the legislature were controlled by Republicans.

Rep. Tarik Khan (D-Philadelphia), who is a nurse practitioner, said the law signed by then-Gov. Tom Corbett in 2011 required abortion clinics to “obtain and maintain burdensome and unnecessary expensive structural modifications.” The law mandates specialized elevators, flooring and HVAC units, and places restrictions on the size of how big hallways and procedure rooms must be.
So it’s ok to make exercising second amendment rights burdensome but when it comes to abortions no so much. Huh….go figure. I think Baltimore and cities like it should have an abortion clinic on every corner open 24/7.
 
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