Americans Ordered Out Of Homes At Gunpoint By SWAT

[Chris0nllyn]

ETC, I mean Grups, I mean Lynnipoopoo, you obviously cant read.

I have posted numerous times that i do not have acess to videos here. What you have failed to provide is anyone who claims they didn't consent to the searches

I most certainly don't have the time, or care to have multiple user accounts....especially here.

Watch the video...

 

[MMDad]

Then why has it never been done before?

What hasn't been done before? You think that this is the first time the cops have entered a home without a warrant while searching for a know armed and dangerous murderer? Really?

 

[PsyOps]

Then why has it never been done before?

And there's rub... Can anyone cite where this sort of thing has ever happened on American soil, at least in our lifetimes? At this scale? The only time I can think this MIGHT have happened is when the Japanese were interned during WWII. But I don't know if it was done at gunpoint or not. But, in a criminal/terrorist case, is there any precedence for this sort of thing?

If we start having more terrorist bombings in our streets, is this what we can expect?

 

[Chris0nllyn]

What hasn't been done before? You think that this is the first time the cops have entered a home without a warrant while searching for a know armed and dangerous murderer? Really?

As a criminal case....I don't know, that's why I asked.

Maybe you could help us out, and find a case?

 

[Larry Gude]

More 'reasonable' ...

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For those that can't see, cops beat on the door, AS SOON AS HE OPENS DOOR he has several guns pointed at him and is ORDERED OUT and ORDERED HANDS up. When he is a tad slow complying, he is 'helped' to put his hands where they want them then, they storm in.


You people are ####ing crazy if you think this is good, proper or even remotely right.

 

[MMDad]

As a criminal case....I don't know, that's why I asked.

Maybe you could help us out, and find a case?

You made the allegation based on what? You didn't ask if this has happened before, you asked why it has not happened before. Prove that.

2012 U.S. Supreme Court Reiterates Rules Regarding Exigent Home Entry

We explained that "`[t]he need to protect or preserve life or avoid serious injury is justification for what would be otherwise illegal absent an exigency or emergency.'" Id., at 403 (quoting Mincey v. Arizona, 437 U. S. 385, 392 (1978)). In addition, in Georgia v. Randolph, 547 U. S. 103, 118 (2006), the Court stated that "it would be silly to suggest that the police would commit a tort by entering [a residence] . . . to determine whether violence . . . is about to (or soon will) occur." [v]

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Let's think about this...

1 million people were put under (basically) martial law. Business and universities were closed. Public transit and Amtrak were padlocked. Paramilitary cops from multiple states rolled down Boston’s residential neighborhoods in humvees with manned machine gun turrets on top. In full battle gear, these guys – they looked like soldiers – called people out of their homes. They then searched the homes. Boston became a ghost town and a police state for a day. And Bostonians cheered them for it. Some even called for a parade to honor the men who treated them like prisoners in their own homes.

This grand show of force, which even the FBI admits is unprecedented, was carried out for the purpose of catching a suspected terrorist. an entire city was shut down, to find a 19 year old suspected terrorist.

Sounds good, to some of us....

The boys in blue created a tantalizing incentive for others to copy the terrorists. The terrorism “worked” but only because the Boston government helped them make it work. By overreacting, the governments at work here magnified the terrorists effectiveness. The Tsarnaevs didn’t shut down Boston. They didn’t put paramilitary troops on the streets of a major US city. The governments at work here did that.

People will put up with a lot in the name of safety.

Turn the city into a war zone with soldiers and humvees? Sure.
Lock down a city as if it were a prison? No problem.
House to house searches without legal basis? It’s ok.
Snipers aiming at me and my family while I wait on the sidewalk for my house to be searched? Yep, it’s legit.
Cheer the guys doing all this, let them high-five my kid, suggest throwing a parade for them? Yep, it all happened.

It was like the TSA came out to your house for the day – and you were thrilled about it.

Is this the country that defeated Hitler in World War 2? Is this the country that put a man on the moon? If these events are meaningful to you, then you need to question what the hell happened. You can defeat Hitler and Tojo, you can hang Saddam and assassinate bin Laden, but you cower in fear of a 19-year-old kid?

Imagine if this kid actually knew what he was doing. Imagine if there were a dozen of these guys in multiple parts of the city or multiple parts of the country operating simultaneously. They could have brought the whole country to a standstill.

If you allow an angsty teenager with a pressure cooker to frighten you into abandoning your daily routine and cowering in your home as if it were a prison, then you desperately need to re-evaluate your posture towards life. Reclaim your self-respect, Boston.

When a dozen paramilitary cops with fully automatic battle rifles backed by a guy on a humvee turret and snipers come to my house, the words ‘voluntary’ and ‘cooperation’ have no place. I would be a fool to resist. They have guns to my head and the heads of anyone with me. It’s now too late to resist. I don’t blame anyone for cooperating. I blame them for cheering their oppressors.

 

[itsrequired]

There was no probable cause because the authorities had no credible evidence that the Boston Marathon bomber was within their police perimeter.

He was caught outside their perimeter.....

You don't know what information the police had at the time. Probable cause is not an absolute, and finding something different later doesn't negate the information they had in then.

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Chris0nllyn
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Posts: 4,383 Law enforcement did a great job that whole week.

I didn't expect this to last long. Can't compliment the cops too much can you.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

You don't know what information the police had at the time. Probable cause is not an absolute, and finding something different later doesn't negate the information they had in then.



I didn't expect this to last long. Can't compliment the cops too much can you.

Not until the ban was lifted, and regular Joe Blow saw the blood on his boat, was this guy caught.

What good did all of this do?

I know you can't just let any story regarding police to go away without your input.

 

[MMDad]

And there's rub... Can anyone cite where this sort of thing has ever happened on American soil, at least in our lifetimes? At this scale? The only time I can think this MIGHT have happened is when the Japanese were interned during WWII. But I don't know if it was done at gunpoint or not. But, in a criminal/terrorist case, is there any precedence for this sort of thing?

If we start having more terrorist bombings in our streets, is this what we can expect?

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[MMDad]

Not until the ban was lifted, and regular Joe Blow saw the blood on his boat, was this guy caught.

What good did all of this do?

That's some pretty sharp hindsight you have there skippy. Try sticking to the facts that were known at the time.

I know you can't just let any story regarding police to go away without your input

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

That's some pretty sharp hindsight you have there skippy. Try sticking to the facts that were known at the time.

What about my statement was not factual?

He couldn't address the problem until authorities lifted a "shelter-in-place" order for residents of Watertown, Massachusetts, about 6 p.m. Friday.

Then he went outside to get some air, he told the affiliate.

Boat owner tells CNN affiliate of discovering Boston bombing suspect - CNN.com

:EDIT:: he didn't see blood ON his boat, he saw blood IN his boat.

 

[vraiblonde]

They knew EXACTLY who they were looking for and if I show up at my door with a shotgun in my hands, if you show up, armed, they KNOW right then and there you are not the 19 year old bomb suspect, that you are armed and ready in your home and that they can move on to the next house because you, too, are NOT the 19 year old bomb suspect.

Larry, they do not know that. YOU know that, but they do not. They do not know that you aren't an accomplice and the bomber is sitting in your living room. They do not know that he isn't right behind you with a gun to your baby's head.

How are they supposed to know something like that until they check?

Answer that, please: how are they supposed to know that?

 

[Larry Gude]

Larry, they do not know that. YOU know that, but they do not. They do not know that you aren't an accomplice and the bomber is sitting in your living room. They do not know that he isn't right behind you with a gun to your baby's head.

How are they supposed to know something like that until they check?

Answer that, please: how are they supposed to know that?

WHO IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT????

Who is supposed to be restrained and limited, the government or me????

Who is the Bill of Rights for, the officers or me????

Have you seen ANY of these videos??? We're not talking about cops arguing with folks to comply and getting a little pissy. We're talking guns drawn, taking command, making it perfectly clear you WILL comply, get out of YOUR house, RIGHT NOW. We will MAKE you.

Again, the problem lies with us, what we're asking our officers to do. We are placing ENORMOUS burdens on them to go this far. Enormous!

 

[Chris0nllyn]

You made the allegation based on what? You didn't ask if this has happened before, you asked why it has not happened before. Prove that.

2012 U.S. Supreme Court Reiterates Rules Regarding Exigent Home Entry

John Fox, the official historian of the FBI, said that the shutdown of such a major city was virtually unprecedented in recent U.S. history. He said the aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001, attacks was far bigger, knocking New York and Washington on their heels and clearing the airspace over the entire United States.

But beyond that, Fox said, a city shutdown has “only happened on a smaller scale.”

The Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 (which happened on April 19, Friday’s date) was far deadlier and devastated the city center. But the government didn’t order a far-reaching lockdown.

Other manhunts and events have terrorized and paralyzed cities, including in 2002 during the Washington sniper attacks. But rarely, if ever, has a large U.S. urban area come to such a complete and utter halt as happened Friday in Boston.

Fox said the closest recent parallel might be in London after the July 7, 2005, transit system attacks that killed 52 passengers and four bombers, and injured more than 700 others.

London was badly disrupted, with trains and buses out of service, and schools and many businesses were closed. But the city was back on its feet almost immediately, with a sentiment summed up by Ian Blair, then the head of Scotland Yard.

In Boston and suburbs, shutdown is surreal - The Washington Post

That leads us to the inevitable conclusion that the lockdown was a unique event. It’s not standard operating procedure to lock down a major metropolitan area when a fugitive is on the loose, no matter what he is accused of. Even the FBI, the highest civilian police organization in the United States, admits this.

So you can not argue that the Boston Lockdown was normal. You can not argue that it was expected. You can not tell me that it was business as usual. It is impossible to believe that no one was surprised by this. It had never been done before! So don’t try to tell me that the cops were just doing what they always do. Your own FBI says you’re wrong!

 

[MMDad]

In Boston and suburbs, shutdown is surreal - The Washington Post

That leads us to the inevitable conclusion that the lockdown was a unique event. It’s not standard operating procedure to lock down a major metropolitan area when a fugitive is on the loose, no matter what he is accused of. Even the FBI, the highest civilian police organization in the United States, admits this.

So you can not argue that the Boston Lockdown was normal. You can not argue that it was expected. You can not tell me that it was business as usual. It is impossible to believe that no one was surprised by this. It had never been done before! So don’t try to tell me that the cops were just doing what they always do. Your own FBI says you’re wrong!

So now you are changing the topic? The topic was the searches. Now that you've lost that, you want to change it to locking down a city.

Anything to whine, right skippy?

They take unprecedented action based on an unprecedented event, and you want to criticize. Who would have ever guessed that you, of all people, would put on a tin foil hat and go there. It's just so out of character.

 

[Midnightrider]

Of course he would! Why, he'd probably make me rehearse my lines a few times "OK, I am the cop, you are Larry, convince me to go away", give me a shot of Jack to calm my nerves, pat me on the back and tell me "You can do it!"

thats one option, but you still haven't explained how the police were suposed to know you weren't harboring him as part of the terrorist group.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

So now you are changing the topic? The topic was the searches. Now that you've lost that, you want to change it to locking down a city.

Anything to whine, right skippy?

They take unprecedented action based on an unprecedented event, and you want to criticize. Who would have ever guessed that you, of all people, would put on a tin foil hat and go there. It's just so out of character.

I thought the locking down of the city and searches were one in the same.....no?

They lock down the city, then begin searching. Guess not....

The OK City bombing was, IMO, much more of an event, with less force.

I'm a bit frightened that you think this is some argument game where there are winners and losers. This is OUR country. We're supposed to be the best in the world. Yet, some punk ass kids decide to try something, and we all go into freak out mode and let anything go.

 

[vraiblonde]

thats one option, but you still haven't explained how the police were suposed to know you weren't harboring him as part of the terrorist group.

I believe his take is that it doesn't matter whether they believe him or not; they should go away if the homeowner or whoever answers the door tells them to.

 

[itsrequired]

That leads us to the inevitable conclusion that the lockdown was a unique event. It’s not standard operating procedure to lock down a major metropolitan area when a fugitive is on the loose, no matter what he is accused of. Even the FBI, the highest civilian police organization in the United States, admits this.

They didn't lock down anything. People were free to move about the city, and did.

So you can not argue that the Boston Lockdown was normal. You can not argue that it was expected. You can not tell me that it was business as usual. It is impossible to believe that no one was surprised by this. It had never been done before! So don’t try to tell me that the cops were just doing what they always do. Your own FBI says you’re wrong!

This incident was different than the others you mentioned. They didn't have a suspect in the D.C. sniper shootings initially, and that suspect did not have ties to the community.

They didn't have a suspect in the Oklahoma bombing, that suspect was caught after a traffic stop.

So you point out that the entire air traffic over the United States was shut down, and you don't see how each situtation calls for a unique response that is not necessarily out of line.

Since you are quoting the FBI as the supreme law enforcement entity with the knowledge of right and wrong....have they said anyone did anything wrong? Aren't they the police who police the police?