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[vegmom]

I said "tend to be" not "is always".

Would you call strict religious fundamentalists (of any faith) liberal though?

The folks I am refering to cite the Bible as the basis for why they believe a woman should never be President. They are not misogynists as they did not hate women, just believed that they should not be leaders of men (based on their interpretations of the Bible).

 

[This_person]

I apparantly can type till my fingers fall off an y'all won't get the point.

"Fringe" means "not of the main stream".

I would no sooner call BJU-esque folks Liberal any sooner than I'd call Deadheads Conservative.

But do either group represent the majority of either Liberals or Conservatives?

Not by a long shot.

But they are extreme examples.

The argument is not whether extremists represent their side. Your argument was that it is more likely that a racist or sexist is a conservative. The argument back is, nuh uh.

There's absolutely no reason to presume that a racist or sexist is more likely to be on the right than the left. Idiots are idiots, regardless of political belief.

Do you see what we're saying? It's in no way more likely for these people to be on the right, as you interpretted Kerad to be saying.

 

[SamSpade]

The argument is not whether extremists represent their side. Your argument was that it is more likely that a racist or sexist is a conservative. The argument back is, nuh uh.

There's absolutely no reason to presume that a racist or sexist is more likely to be on the right than the left. Idiots are idiots, regardless of political belief.

Do you see what we're saying? It's in no way more likely for these people to be on the right, as you interpretted Kerad to be saying.

Exactly. I lived in Massachusetts for six years - there were wife-beating, homophobic, Bible-thumpin', bigoted....

Democrats...

there.

I work in DC. I get the same thing. No political party has a corner on racism or sexism.

 

[SamSpade]

I said "tend to be" not "is always".

Would you call strict religious fundamentalists (of any faith) liberal though?

Do you mean, really religious groups like, the Quakers?

How about strict religious fundamentalists who give their lives to healing the sick in India or Africa?

Ah - but that's a GOOD thing. So they can't be anything but liberal. Conservative religious people just TALK about such crap.

I've BEEN down this road. I used to belong to a large volunteer organization in DC. There were folks there who couldn't believe anyone would SHOW UP unless they were liberal, because after all, conservatives believe the poor should just buck up and take care of themselves. When over half the people would say they were Republicans - they'd call them LIARS. It was hysterical. Faced with actual facts, they'd run back to their preconceived notions.

 

[vegmom]

The argument is not whether extremists represent their side. Your argument was that it is more likely that a racist or sexist is a conservative. The argument back is, nuh uh.

There's absolutely no reason to presume that a racist or sexist is more likely to be on the right than the left. Idiots are idiots, regardless of political belief.

Do you see what we're saying? It's in no way more likely for these people to be on the right, as you interpretted Kerad to be saying.

Yes, but my words were twisted as to say "ah ha! another example of liberal bias!" No no no...I was trying to point out that was a tendancy of the right wing fringe rather than left fringe.

My girl's "sperm donor" was one selfish, misogynistic bastard, but I'm pretty sure no one ever mistook him for a Republican (unless of course Bob Weir ever ran on the GOP ticket ).

 

[vraiblonde]

Would you call strict religious fundamentalists (of any faith) liberal though?

The Lefties constantly insist that Jesus was a liberal.
Jesus Is A Liberal - Home Page

Would you consider Jesus a religious fundamentalist?

 

[vegmom]

Do you mean, really religious groups like, the Quakers?

How about strict religious fundamentalists who give their lives to healing the sick in India or Africa?

I am refering to their view on women's leadership roles, not on how they view the poor, etc.

 

[vegmom]

The Lefties constantly insist that Jesus was a liberal.
Jesus Is A Liberal - Home Page

Would you consider Jesus a religious fundamentalist?

I think he'd actually have a bone to pick with some so-called Christians these days.

 

[vraiblonde]

Yes, but my words were twisted as to say "ah ha! another example of liberal bias!" No no no...I was trying to point out that was a tendancy of the right wing fringe rather than left fringe.

One more time. Read slowly.

Extremist groups are neither left nor right. Neither liberal nor conservative. Neither Democrat nor Republican.

They are a fringe of common societal views, not of any political party.

What political fringe do serial killers belong to? How about pedophiles? Are they left or right extreme? Extreme Democrats or extreme Republicans?

You most definitely have a bias against Republicans and conservatives. Don't even try to deny it because it comes across loud and clear in your posts. There is nobody who reads you that would mistake you for a Republican or a conservative.

Therefore, you are predisposed to considering anything outside your political/social paradigm to be "the opposition", i.e. conservative Republican.

I am a conservative (for the most part) Republican. Shall I assume that the Phelps people are left-wing Democrats, since I disagree wholeheartedly with them, as does every Christian group and Republican group I've ever heard of?

I mean, if right-wing Republicans are so vehemently opposed to them, they MUST be liberal Democrats, right?

 

[This_person]

I was trying to point out that was a tendancy of the right wing fringe rather than left fringe.

This is the point that we get, and disagree with.

 

[vraiblonde]

And I would also like to point out that the biggest champion of the Westboro Baptist Church is... the decidedly liberal ACLU.

So can we say that Westboro Baptist, the God Hates Fags people, are extreme liberals?

 

[vraiblonde]

Hmmm. We can say fags on here but not ###.

Dur.

 

[mAlice]

Hmmm. We can say fags on here but not ###.

Dur.

:snort:

 

[vegmom]

But would you all call Fred Phelps and company Liberal? Actually, I would not consider them human, but First Amendment yadda yadda...

Would you expect the facultly of Bob Jones to invite a Democratic Presidential candidate to speak?

A large number of Christian Conservatives do not believe women should be leaders of men based on their interpretation of the Bible. This does not mean they are misogynistic, as their views are specific to traditional gender roles, not a person's worth.

 

[vegmom]

And :gasp: I do have the ability to differentiate between believing in traditional gender roles vs. being a woman hater aka misogynist.

 

[SamSpade]

I am refering to their view on women's leadership roles, not on how they view the poor, etc.

Now you're all over the place.

One - you're confusing "strict religious fundamentalists - of any religion" with "strict religious fundamentalists who have sexist interpretations of women's roles" with "conservative". I think you're also confusing "fundamentalist" with "Christian". I think you'd be hard pressed to nail Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists with political labels. (Jews demographically tend towards liberal).

Second - there are scores of people out there who do the kind of work that your typical garden variety bleeding heart liberal would be ashamed to say, they don't do. And tons of them are religious fundies. And as I've said - some of them vote Democrat. And some of them - don't. When I was in New England, they did this - and they voted Democrat. We were encouraged to vote for Dukakis and Clinton and Gore. Some of them didn't - and they were in the same church. And they all had this view of women's roles in church as - well - you seem to regard as sexist.

And I've lived, worked, gone to church and volunteered in the DC area. Gotta tell you, they have some of the same beliefs about women and they think George Bush is the most awful thing next to the Republican party itself. Just go down and visit a Baptist church downtown. Ask 'em how they feel about Bush. And women in the church.

It doesn't "belong" to any one group. Just in your mind, and dare I say, limited exposure. You're buying into a stereotype because it conforms to what you believe already - and not the other way around.

In fact, I think it tends to be more regional than religious. Baptists in New England aren't like Baptists in the South.

 

[vraiblonde]

But would you all call Fred Phelps and company Liberal? Actually, I would not consider them human, but First Amendment yadda yadda...

So you agree with the Phelps people, that picketing military funerals is an expression of free speech? And, therefore, condone it?

Anyway, I think you already realize your error in stereotyping. Admit you were wrong and we can move on.

 

[SamSpade]

Would you expect the facultly of Bob Jones to invite a Democratic Presidential candidate to speak?

Would the leadership of NAMBLA invite a Republican? So they MUST represent the Democratic Party - or at least - the "extreme" wing?

Would Hugo Chavez invite a Republican or endorse one? So he must represent what the Democrats represent. Hell, he's got Joe Kennedy on his side already.

Bob Jones U doesn't represent conservatives.

 

[vraiblonde]

What's the big deal about Bob Jones, anyway? I've never even heard of him except when Lefties are ranting about what a terrible person he is and how he's the spokesperson for the Right. Did I just miss the memo that this guy is my leader?

 

[vegmom]

Perhaps it is the particular flavor of fundamentalist you've been around vs myself. Even under the "southern baptist" umbrella there was plenty of variation. For example: both my church and school were Southern Baptist. One did not care how I dressed for Church related activities, while the other believed that the Bible forbid women to "put on the garment of a man" as in wear slacks instead of skirts. One sponsored youth group trips to Christian rock concerts, the other didn't like any type of contemporary music. Neither ordained women, both endorsed Reagan and Bush Sr.