Another Genarlow Wilson poll

[vraiblonde]

We've gotten way off-topic and now people are talking about 13 year olds and the mentally retarded

So here it is:

Do you think, regardless of what the laws are, that a 17 year old who has consensual sex with a 15 year old is a "child molestor"?

Yes or No.

 

[vraiblonde]

Anyone? So far no one thinks Genarlow Wilson is a child molestor.

Pete? You're the one that says the law is the law - surely then, you think this is a clear case of child molestation? Considering that's what he was convicted of?

 

[vraiblonde]

FINALLY we got a taker!

 

[Pete]

Anyone? So far no one thinks Genarlow Wilson is a child molestor.

Pete? You're the one that says the law is the law - surely then, you think this is a clear case of child molestation? Considering that's what he was convicted of?

I believe it is in the best interest of the state to protect children from destructive behavior. I believe that sometimes it sucks. I believe sometimes they capture true criminals.

that being said


No I don't think Wilson is a child molester and I said a bazillion times 10 years was too much. In the absence of a better solution he should have taken the plea deal because he did break the law as written. As it is he won on appeal and the loop hole in the law was closed.

 

[vraiblonde]

I believe it is in the best interest of the state to protect children from destructive behavior. I believe that sometimes it sucks. I believe sometimes they capture true criminals.

that being said


No I don't think Wilson is a child molester and I said a bazillion times 10 years was too much. In the absence of a better solution he should have taken the plea deal because he did break the law as written. As it is he won on appeal and the loop hole in the law was closed.

Then do you also agree that this particular Georgia law is backward as hell and must have been written by retards with dueling banjos?

 

[smsd]

The plea deal wasn't an option. By taking it he wouldn't have been able to live in the same house as his little sister.

 

[Pete]

Then do you also agree that this particular Georgia law is backward as hell and must have been written by retards with dueling banjos?

Yes, only as it pertains to the punishment. I think he should have consequences for a sexual act with a 15 year old since the age of consent is 16. Fine, probation would work for me. I feel it should be applied to the chick too.

 

[Pete]

The plea deal wasn't an option. By taking it he wouldn't have been able to live in the same house as his little sister.

You know part of the thing about being an adult is making choices. He screwed up by engaging in a sex act with a 15 year old. Now he had to choose between "I have to sit in jail for 10 years" or " I can get out and live with someone else and fight to get my name off the predators list." Not a hard choice to me.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Had he never been put in prison...

You know part of the thing about being an adult is making choices. He screwed up by engaging in a sex act with a 15 year old. Now he had to choose between "I have to sit in jail for 10 years" or " I can get out and live with someone else and fight to get my name off the predators list." Not a hard choice to me.

... it never would've gained the attention it did and never would've been changed.

 

[smsd]

He was 17, he most certainly was not an adult

 

[vraiblonde]

... it never would've gained the attention it did and never would've been changed.

That's exactly right. The only way ignorant laws get changed is when someone makes a stink about them instead of just letting the idiot tyrants have their way.

I'm sorry this kid got caught up in the system, but that was a stupid law and the good outcome is that it's now changed.

 

[Coventry17]

How many of you here are guilty of the same crime? One great fringe benefit of being a high school senior was all the freshman/sophomore booty I scored.

 

[Pete]

That's exactly right. The only way ignorant laws get changed is when someone makes a stink about them instead of just letting the idiot tyrants have their way.

I'm sorry this kid got caught up in the system, but that was a stupid law and the good outcome is that it's now changed.

Very true but laws do get changed all the time when it is pointed out there is a glitch.

Anyway, Wilson would still be guilty of a crime under the new law, it would be a misdemeanor though.

 

[kwillia]

That's exactly right. The only way ignorant laws get changed is when someone makes a stink about them instead of just letting the idiot tyrants have their way.

I'm sorry this kid got caught up in the system, but that was a stupid law and the good outcome is that it's now changed.

I am beyond stunned that though it was recognized by most that an injustice was done to him and that he could have been out earlier... the attorney general aggressively and willfully continued to fight to keep him in...

From an article back in June... Teen oral sex case should be over by now - MSNBC TV - MSNBC.com

Wilson was ordered released. He was re-sentenced to 12 months in prison, a total victory for Wilson, who has served nearly double that already. Furthermore, he does not have to register as a sex offender when he gets out. But the prison doors have not sprung open for Wilson. The attorney general has filed an appeal, seeking a higher court's ruling as to whether the court has the power to commute Wilson's sentence to a sentence that did not statutorily exist at the time of his conviction.

Wilson's lawyer, B.J. Bernstein, is asking the court to set an appellate bond which would permit Wilson's release pending appeal. Hopefully, it will be a bond that Wilson can afford to post.

Bernstein is extremely disturbed that the attorney general would continue to fight to keep Wilson behind bars.

 

[Pete]

I am beyond stunned that though it was recognized by most that an injustice was done to him and that he could have been out earlier... the attorney general aggressively and willfully continued to fight to keep him in...

From an article back in June... Teen oral sex case should be over by now - MSNBC TV - MSNBC.com

Wilson was ordered released. He was re-sentenced to 12 months in prison, a total victory for Wilson, who has served nearly double that already. Furthermore, he does not have to register as a sex offender when he gets out. But the prison doors have not sprung open for Wilson. The attorney general has filed an appeal, seeking a higher court's ruling as to whether the court has the power to commute Wilson's sentence to a sentence that did not statutorily exist at the time of his conviction.

Wilson's lawyer, B.J. Bernstein, is asking the court to set an appellate bond which would permit Wilson's release pending appeal. Hopefully, it will be a bond that Wilson can afford to post.

Bernstein is extremely disturbed that the attorney general would continue to fight to keep Wilson behind bars.

Initially I was too but you have to look at "big Picture". In trying to free this 1 person how many of the thousands of other sexual offenders in prison could apply and may receive relief based on this retroactive decision? In freeing Wilson, how many true criminal molesters could be released because of that precedent?

 

[bresamil]

Initially I was too but you have to look at "big Picture". In trying to free this 1 person how many of the thousands of other sexual offenders in prison could apply and may receive relief based on this retroactive decision? In freeing Wilson, how many true criminal molesters could be released because of that precedent?

Ah, the Spock theory: The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one.

 

[Pete]

Ah, the Spock theory: The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one.

Yep, everyone wants to climb on the "Feel Good " band wagon but then when Chester the Real Molester uses that precedent to get out of jail along with a couple hundred others no one wants to hold that potato.

 

[Larry Gude]

It is of note...

Then do you also agree that this particular Georgia law is

...perhaps that Pete is a Georgian?

 

[kwillia]

I disagree with you, Pete... the change in law pulled him out of the criminal felony masses and put him in the teen sex "misdemeanor" category where he belongs... I don't see any sexual felony criminals benefitting from this at all...

"Ironically, if the two had intercourse, it would have been a misdemeanor, punishable by not more than a year in prison. After Wilson's conviction, there was outrage over his sentence, and the legislature changed the statute so that oral sex is a misdemeanor too. But the statute did not affect Wilson, because the change did not apply retroactively. Even though no other teen could ever receive Wilson's sentence because the law changed, Wilson 's punishment could not be changed. The courts said that the only remedy for Wilson was through the legislature, but the legislature refused to act. The new bill drafted to help Wilson was stalled."

 

[bresamil]

Yep, everyone wants to climb on the "Feel Good " band wagon but then when Chester the Real Molester uses that precedent to get out of jail along with a couple hundred others no one wants to hold that potato.

And, it's a safer system.