Another "Honor Killing"

Starman3000m

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By KATHY JEFCOATS, CHRISTIAN BOONE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/06/08


Police: Arranged marriage led father to kill daughter


“A Jonesboro man faces murder charges in the strangulation death of his 25-year-old daughter early Sunday over what police said was her desire to end an arranged marriage.
Chaudhry Rashid, 54, is being held at the Clayton County jail and faces an initial court appearance Monday afternoon.”

Police: Arranged marriage led father to kill daughter | ajc.com
 

punjabigyrl

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This article has nothing to with religion BUT cultural issues. Arranged marriage is a cultural thing that happens till today in india and pakistan. What fails these uneducated people(parents) is that the girl has a right to refuse, the whether you are a muslim or a hindu. Unfortunately, in Pakistan the uneducated are still continuing with this act of killing because they have lived it all thier lives and "DON'T" know any better.
 

Starman3000m

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This article has nothing to with religion BUT cultural issues. Arranged marriage is a cultural thing that happens till today in india and pakistan. What fails these uneducated people(parents) is that the girl has a right to refuse, the whether you are a muslim or a hindu. Unfortunately, in Pakistan the uneducated are still continuing with this act of killing because they have lived it all thier lives and "DON'T" know any better.

Actually, the cultural lifestyle of fundamental Muslims revolves around the tenets of the Islamic religion. Honor killings are very much part of the Shari'a Laws that govern even the most educated Muslims and these are not viewed as "crimes" but as a religious duty that must be fulfilled.

Here, in the 21st century, Islamic "honor killings" consist of a daughter being killed if she marries a non-Muslim or has a non-Muslim boyfriend and refuses to quit seeing him.

Islamic honor killings consist of a daughter being killed if she is raped! Many times the woman is considered to have been the perpetrator of the rape and her father and/or brothers are obligated to kill her - to save the family honor.

Islamic honor killings consist of taking the life of anyone guilty of adultery.

Islamic honor killings consist of murdering a Muslim who rejects the Islamic religion and desires to choose another religion or none at all.

This is by the decree of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, and incorporated into Shari'a Laws:

Here are three specific examples of Islamic rulings that allow a Muslim to kill another Muslim for the following instances:

1) "Abdullah bin Masud narrated that the messenger of Allah said : "The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three [instances] : the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and abandons the community."
Source:(it was related by Bukhari and Muslim) (Imam An-Nawawi's Book - Hadith #14)


2) "Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, 'If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Source:(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57, Narrated 'Ikrima)


3) "Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

Source: (Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64, Narrated 'Ali)


Now, Here is the real issue: Is this what we can continue to expect from present and future Islamic communities living in the United States? Do Muslims not comprehend that Shari'a Laws are null and void in this country?

Research
 
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punjabigyrl

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Actually, the cultural lifestyle of fundamental Muslims revolves around the tenets of the Islamic religion. Honor killings are very much part of the Shari'a Laws that govern even the most educated Muslims and these are not viewed as "crimes" but as a religious duty that must be fulfilled.

Here, in the 21st century, Islamic "honor killings" consist of a daughter being killed if she marries a non-Muslim or has a non-Muslim boyfriend and refuses to quit seeing him.

Islamic honor killings consist of a daughter being killed if she is raped! Many times the woman is considered to have been the perpetrator of the rape and her father and/or brothers are obligated to kill her - to save the family honor.

Islamic honor killings consist of taking the life of anyone guilty of adultery.

Islamic honor killings consist of murdering a Muslim who rejects the Islamic religion and desires to choose another religion or none at all.

This is by the decree of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, and incorporated into Shari'a Laws:

Here are three specific examples of Islamic rulings that allow a Muslim to kill another Muslim for the following instances:

1) "Abdullah bin Masud narrated that the messenger of Allah said : "The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three [instances] : the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and abandons the community."
Source:(it was related by Bukhari and Muslim) (Imam An-Nawawi's Book - Hadith #14)


2) "Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, 'If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Source:(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57, Narrated 'Ikrima)


3) "Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

Source: (Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64, Narrated 'Ali)


Now, Here is the real issue: Is this what we can continue to expect from present and future Islamic communities living in the United States? Do Muslims not comprehend that Shari'a Laws are null and void in this country?

Research

to accuse someone of adultery you should have witnessed the penetration. That is the sharia law. Also,in islam it clearly states there is NO compulsion towards religion. In the Sharia it also states that you should follow the rules of the country that you reside in. obviuosly those parts of the sharia are totally ignored to restore the family name yet these same men will go around sleeping with women, raping animals etc. in the name of religion. Do I want to believe what comes out of thier mouths.....I think not.
 

Starman3000m

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to accuse someone of adultery you should have witnessed the penetration. That is the sharia law. Also,in islam it clearly states there is NO compulsion towards religion. In the Sharia it also states that you should follow the rules of the country that you reside in. obviuosly those parts of the sharia are totally ignored to restore the family name yet these same men will go around sleeping with women, raping animals etc. in the name of religion. Do I want to believe what comes out of thier mouths.....I think not.

Actually, Shari'a Laws are open to interpretation and enforcement by the Islamic scholars in the varying Islamic countries. The most fundamental laws of Shari'a are stricter in those Muslim countries that abide literally by decrees as found in the Qur'an and Ahadith (sayings of Muhammad).

Saudi Arabia is a good example of Shari'a laws being enforced (in public squares) whereby a woman convicted of adultery is stoned to death, thieves have a hand cut off, other criminals have a hand and foot cut off, apostates are killed, and non-Muslims are viewed as second-class citizens.

The Shari'a Laws prevail over a Muslim community wherever they migrate to.
There may be more "honor killings" and Shari'a imposed punishments happening in America that does not get reported. One story a few weeks ago reported the finding of different sets of "feet" that had been severed - but no body around.
 
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punjabigyrl

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Actually, Shari'a Laws are open to interpretation and enforcement by the Islamic scholars in the varying Islamic countries. The most fundamental laws of Shari'a are stricter in those Muslim countries that abide literally by decrees as found in the Qur'an and Ahadith (sayings of Muhammad).

Saudi Arabia is a good example of Shari'a laws being enforced (in public squares) whereby a woman convicted of adultery is stoned to death, thieves have a hand cut off, other criminals have a hand and foot cut off, apostates are killed, and non-Muslims are viewed as second-class citizens.

The Shari'a Laws prevail over a Muslim community wherever they migrate to.
There may be more "honor killings" and Shari'a imposed punishments happening in America that does not get reported. One story a few weeks ago reported the finding of different sets of "feet" that had been severed - but no body around.

Saudi Arabia follows wahabism which is the strictest of all. and YES they are on the loony side of things. as for second class citizens let me tell you a frined of mine a muslim from india went to practice medicine and because he was not a suadi residnet he got treated like second class. Another example my friends father an egyptian went to work in Saudi for a few years and he had his interview, he was told how much he was going to get paid (all this converstion in arabic. When he arrived and they(saudi) saw that he was egyptian they dropped his pay by 10-15 grand and took some other things that they had offered. In saudi if you are not born and bred saudi arab your are second class. Unfortunately the whole country is run by foreigners....the irony.
 
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