Another principal doing their job
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Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
In St. Mary's, some schools have been calling the police after student fights instead of suspending the students. Why? Because suspensions get noted on the school's state report card.
Just more examples of weasly bureaucrats protecting their miserable behinds at the expense of kids.
Just more examples of weasly bureaucrats protecting their miserable behinds at the expense of kids.
Tonio said:
Actually, that's not totally true. Any physical altercation in the St. Mary's County schools comes with a suspension. Calling the police is something that the schools do in an attempt to show the students how serious a fight is.
With that being said, I am personally aware of fights where the participants were not suspended - or received an in-school suspension instead of a few days at home.
And by the way, the number of arrests at each school is also kept on record, and doesn't look good for the schools.
Pegster710
The Pegster
Am I the crazy one, or do you think that the STUDENT, not the SCHOOLS, should be held accountable for the students behavior? There is no discipline - these kids are not afraid of ANYTHING. And the PARENTS are ALLOWING it.
I know when I was in school, the principal could paddle a student for certain things - believe me, not too many kids messed up. The embarrassment and the thought of the "pain" kept you straight. Plus, if you got in trouble at school, look out when you got home! Your parents whipped you first and asked questions later.
It's not fair to the kids to let them think they can get away with ANYTHING. When school is over and you have to earn a living, do you think the boss will put up with that crap? Doubtful. The kids are being set up for failure.
I think the school system needs to be revamped - for all our sakes. Convincing all those parents - whose children do no wrong (HA) - is the hard part...
JMHO...
I know when I was in school, the principal could paddle a student for certain things - believe me, not too many kids messed up. The embarrassment and the thought of the "pain" kept you straight. Plus, if you got in trouble at school, look out when you got home! Your parents whipped you first and asked questions later.
It's not fair to the kids to let them think they can get away with ANYTHING. When school is over and you have to earn a living, do you think the boss will put up with that crap? Doubtful. The kids are being set up for failure.
I think the school system needs to be revamped - for all our sakes. Convincing all those parents - whose children do no wrong (HA) - is the hard part...
JMHO...I'm with you Pegster. The problem starts at the top - with the superintendent. But just changing one person won't do the job. We need a clean sweep of the board of education.
I have a lot of respect for many of the teachers. They have to love teaching to put up with all the crap for such little pay. I do think that a lot of them become jaded, however, after a few years in the system. A teacher's hands are tied by each principal's methods. I know a lot of the teachers would prefer to be in a one-room school house, where they could close the door and teach - and deal with whatever problems they have on their own. We lose good teachers every year because they can't accept the principals' way of doing business.
I have a lot of respect for many of the teachers. They have to love teaching to put up with all the crap for such little pay. I do think that a lot of them become jaded, however, after a few years in the system. A teacher's hands are tied by each principal's methods. I know a lot of the teachers would prefer to be in a one-room school house, where they could close the door and teach - and deal with whatever problems they have on their own. We lose good teachers every year because they can't accept the principals' way of doing business.
Pegster710
The Pegster
suzeQ said:
Right you are, Suz... My best friends work for the school system - one is a teacher and one is Secretary to the Principal, both at the elementary level. I hear about the problems all the time. The sad part is that the staff, for the most part, seems to know what the problems are - they can back up their statements - and they have solutions. It's the powers at the top that have NO CLUE...
My question is - and has always been - HOW do "we the people" make the changes? I'll be the first to say I am not a leader, but I will jump on the bandwagon and work for a cause. And I think our kids are worth it...
Pegster710 said:Am I the crazy one, or do you think that the STUDENT, not the SCHOOLS, should be held accountable for the students behavior? There is no discipline - these kids are not afraid of ANYTHING. And the PARENTS are ALLOWING it.
I know when I was in school, the principal could paddle a student for certain things - believe me, not too many kids messed up. The embarrassment and the thought of the "pain" kept you straight. Plus, if you got in trouble at school, look out when you got home! Your parents whipped you first and asked questions later.
It's not fair to the kids to let them think they can get away with ANYTHING. When school is over and you have to earn a living, do you think the boss will put up with that crap? Doubtful. The kids are being set up for failure.
I think the school system needs to be revamped - for all our sakes. Convincing all those parents - whose children do no wrong (HA) - is the hard part...
I totally agree but we as parents have lost allot of our ability to discipline, which is why these kids have no repect.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
I've long favored "culling the herd" in the administrative offices. I don't see the logic of paying degreed educators to sit on their butts on Moakley Street. I say, place them in the schools as mentor teachers, so they actually interact with the kids they're supposed to be serving.Pegster710 said:
The D.C. school system is one of the worst in adminstrative bloat, partly because of Marion Barry staffed all the city agencies with his unqualified cronies.
I haven't. In fact, when my kids misbehave in public I state straight out that I hope somebody has social services on speed dial because there is no way I'm letting my kids grow up to be brats. Then I discipline them. And I am not in the least concerned if they find it "humiliating" or "embarrassing". Their behavior has a consequence.TIGERLILY said:
bresamil said:
I agree and I do the same. Many don't though because they are afraid of losing everything because of their brat child. I was paddled in school and at home and to this day I give my parents the utmost respect. I still fear they will knock the daylights out of me.
Tonio said:
Tonio,
I can't say for sure if the statistics are included on the state's school report cards, but I know they are kept. Recently (in the past few months) a report was released locally and all the principals were working to get their number of arrests for their school decreased.
Some arrests had been made after school hours during activities not school-sponsored, on weekends, etc., and the principals didn't want those associated with the school. Because the arrest location was school property, they showed up as arrests at the school.
While some people may frown upon high suspension/arrest numbers at a school, I personally think it shows that the administration is doing something about the problems. It's a shame it has to come to either of those solutions, but I believe it's the only way to make any headway towards a better environment for our young people.
Pegster710
The Pegster
suzeQ said:
It's just a shame that law enforcement has to be involved in the school system at all... And this comment goes back to the threads that talk about "people should have to take a test before being allowed to breed".
I really think uniforms and a "military" style (not quite as harsh, though) might help the public system - if "we the people" backed it up. Individuality could be expressed in extra-corricular activities... AFTER responsibilities are met...
Once again, JMHO...
Pegster710
The Pegster
ski357 said:
The students are making themselves - and us, by default - look bad.
I bet if pics of all the kids arrested were posted in school (on a bulletin board titled "Punishment for Troublemakers") for their peers to see - pics of them scrubbing toilets with a toothbrush or washing police cars or picking up litter - perhaps they'd think twice before causing trouble... I really think a little humiliation goes a long way...
JMHO...
Are you people OUT OF YOUR EFFING MIND? This isn't merely a discipline problem...young girl... developmental disability.... oral sex to the point of bloody mouth?
What say you repeat the behavior on the young whipper snappers who gave it out? and see what the next disciplinary process should be??? hmmm???
Pegster710
The Pegster
virgovictoria said:
young girl... developmental disability.... oral sex to the point of bloody mouth?
What say you repeat the behavior on the young whipper snappers who gave it out? and see what the next disciplinary process should be??? hmmm???
No, you're 100% right on that incident! My comment alluded to the problems here in the county... Did you read the whole tread?
Vince
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I agree that children have not been taught respect for their elders, but that is the parents fault. I never lost the ability to discipline my children. When they were bad they got spanked if the situation called for it. Grounded if that's what it called for. If they gave me crap, I pointed and said, "there's the door, don't let it hit you in the azz. But don't come back." My daughter never took me up on that one. All teenagers go through that and my daughter turned out just fine.TIGERLILY said:
Would it be going too far to ask that the assistant principal that didn't want the police called share the same fate?virgovictoria said:
young girl... developmental disability.... oral sex to the point of bloody mouth?
What say you repeat the behavior on the young whipper snappers who gave it out? and see what the next disciplinary process should be??? hmmm???