Another School shooting in CO

RoseRed

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From CNN...

Authorities confirm a bomb squad and SWAT team sent to a school in Bailey, Colorado, after shots reported, The Associated Press reports.
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chernmax

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Foxnews

BAILEY, Colo. — Platte Canyon High School and the adjoining Fitzsimmons Middle School were on lockdown Wednesday afternoon, with some students being evacuated after reports of shots fired, according to local media reports.

The Jefferson County bomb squad and SWAT team responded to a reported emergency in Bailey, which is located about 50 miles southwest of Denver. The two schools share a wall with each other.

One local affiliate, KCNC-CBS, reported that one gunman and a hostage may be in the building.

U.S Highway 285 is reportedly closed as crews respond to the scene.

There are no reports of any injuries.

Platte Canyon High School had 467 students enrolled during the 2005-2006 school year, according to its Web site. Fitzsimmons Middle School has about 350 students.

Calls to Bailey police and the Park County sheriff were not immediately returned.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE

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From MSNBC...

BAILEY, Colo. - An adult gunman took at least four people hostage at the high school in this tiny mountain town Wednesday and several shots were reported fired, authorities said.

Hours later, two girls were still being held at the Platte Canyon High School, said Jacki Kelley, spokeswoman for the Jefferson County sheriff.

There were no immediate reports of injuries.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE

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I saw it coming. Department of Homeland Security has had the media takling about financial and government infrastructures and yet they've never mentioned schools. Lee County (FL) started preparing staff for what to do and all in a possible hostage standoff and issued a report saying that threat was real.

After the terror attacks in Beslan where hostages took a school-ful of children and pretty much blew himself up, I'm just shocked the United States Government hasn't paid any attention.
 
AK-74me

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Gun Free Zones at work again. When will people get it through their heads that people intent on commiting crime do not follow laws and it puts the law abidding citizens at an even greater risk.

Now if Mrs. Brown from 2nd period Algebra had a CCW then she might of been able to plug this guy in the head with a .45 ACP round before he knew what hit him.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE

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I'm not sure how safe I'd feel with a teacher having a gun. :ohwell:

I mean sure it would be great in case someone did decide to go in to a classroom and open fire but they could miss and there's even more possibilties that I'm sure I couldn't imagine. They could be a marksman, you never know.

Just because they're a teacher or something does not mean they're the smartest, honest or most trustworthy person in the world and believe me on that. There's always gonna be that bad apple.

Imagine this now, a student attacks a teacher and she pulls a gun to shoot him and misses and hits little Suzy. I'm just saying not the best case scenario. Hows about more security officers in schools. Get two three hell 4 more in there.

Now imagine a gang of terrorists walking in a building and taking a school hostage, enough that Administration is outnumbered. That's just not the solution.
 
AK-74me

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I'm not sure how safe I'd feel with a teacher having a gun. :ohwell:

I mean sure it would be great in case someone did decide to go in to a classroom and open fire but they could miss and there's even more possibilties that I'm sure I couldn't imagine. They could be a marksman, you never know.

Just because they're a teacher or something does not mean they're the smartest, honest or most trustworthy person in the world and believe me on that. There's always gonna be that bad apple.

Imagine this now, a student attacks a teacher and she pulls a gun to shoot him and misses and hits little Suzy. I'm just saying not the best case scenario. Hows about more security officers in schools. Get two three hell 4 more in there.

Now imagine a gang of terrorists walking in a building and taking a school hostage, enough that Administration is outnumbered. That's just not the solution.
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It would be just like anyone else with a CCW permit, here in MD we are not used to it because this state along with a few other states in our country feel people don't have the right to defend themselves and are not shall issue states.

Bottom line is that anyone whether you are in a school or a mall that is carring a concealed weapon is held to a higher standard and must try to avoid esclating any situation that could turn in to physical force (not deadly force).

I do not see many, rather any cases that I can remember where a CCW holder has been involved in crminal activity or has fired a negligent round that hurt an innocent. I am sure there are some but I'd bet they are very few and far between. On the other hand I see alot situations where if someone had been there with a concealed weapon a tragedy could of been avoided.

Again I am not advocating arming all teachers, but if one is willing to get trained and hold there self to that higher standard then yes having armed teachers in the school would be a good thing.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE

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AK-74me said:
Again I am not advocating arming all teachers, but if one is willing to get trained and hold there self to that higher standard then yes having armed teachers in the school would be a good thing.
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I couldn't disagree more. I'm for the 2nd amendment but I just don't think there is an argument in the world for letting teachers have guns. It would be just as bad as a student carrying a gun in their backpack IMO. Sure it could save lives but I think the chances it would are slim. They shouldn't need them if a student tries to pull a stunt because even with a gun there's no way a student could overpower an entire class and a teacher having a gun or knife would do anything about it. Hell, shooting a student that may try to stir a problem isn't justified unless a trained police officer is behind that weapon.

And when you're dealing with someone who's going in with a bomb strapped to themselves or has put any thought into a hostage situation, I don't think that gun would help even then. Terrorists could try to do this like in Beslan and if they do have a bomb attatched to themselves, it's clear then they're not afraid to die. Shoot at terrorist and terrorist blows up building killing 170 people. You cannot negotiate with a terrorist - that's when you need a military sniper to take him out and you better hope it's not in a gymnasium.

I see no reason for a teacher having a gun and when you work in a school and deal with them, you'd understand why. The teachers aren't even allowed to break up a fight - that is what Administration is there for.

Imagine this, new teacher comes to school gun-trained and totin' a pistol. He's/She's trained so YOU trust him/her. Unarmed Student threatens him/her with paper knife. Teacher opens fire on John Doe and kills him. Sorry, not justified.
 
AK-74me

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I couldn't disagree more. I'm for the 2nd amendment but I just don't think there is an argument in the world for letting teachers have guns. It would be just as bad as a student carrying a gun in their backpack IMO. Sure it could save lives but I think the chances it would are slim. They shouldn't need them if a student tries to pull a stunt because even with a gun there's no way a student could overpower an entire class and a teacher having a gun or knife would do anything about it. Hell, shooting a student that may try to stir a problem isn't justified unless a trained police officer is behind that weapon.

And when you're dealing with someone who's going in with a bomb strapped to themselves or has put any thought into a hostage situation, I don't think that gun would help even then. Terrorists could try to do this like in Beslan and if they do have a bomb attatched to themselves, it's clear then they're not afraid to die. Shoot at terrorist and terrorist blows up building killing 170 people. You cannot negotiate with a terrorist - that's when you need a military sniper to take him out and you better hope it's not in a gymnasium.

I see no reason for a teacher having a gun and when you work in a school and deal with them, you'd understand why. The teachers aren't even allowed to break up a fight - that is what Administration is there for.

Imagine this, new teacher comes to school gun-trained and totin' a pistol. He's/She's trained so YOU trust him/her. Unarmed Student threatens him/her with paper knife. Teacher opens fire on John Doe and kills him. Sorry, not justified.
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Why should you take the right of someone to defend themselves or another innocent person based on this?

That is what I was trying to say. If you are going to prevent CCW holders from taking guns to schools, why not prevent them from taking them to malls or any other public place where their might be a large group of people.

Just because you are in a school deadly force laws don't change. I am not advocating teachers draw weapons to break up fights and arguments. I am saying if you are defending yourself against death or serious bodily injury, or defending another innocent person from death or serious bodily injury then.....

Bottom line is gun free zones don't work, stats prove it. If I am a would be murderer and I am intent on killing someone where would I go????? A gun free zone!!!!

It is the same reason why crime rates are the highest in cities with the strictest gun control laws. HELLO???? Criminals don't obey laws!!!

Also I don't understand this statement-
Hell, shooting a student that may try to stir a problem isn't justified unless a trained police officer is behind that weapon.
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Using deadly force, whether it is a "trained" police officer or Joe Blow off the street dosen't change. No matter who you are, you can only meet force with equal to, or lesser than the force that you are defending against. And let me explain this a bit. Bad guy has a baseball bat and I have a rifle. I can't shoot him from 100 yds. because he swung it my direction and said he was going to kill me, however, if I see bad guy 10 ft. away hit my buddy in the head and and say "I am going to kill you next", I can shoot him and feel confident that if I did not my life was in danger.

BTW- I have 3 family members that are/were working in the school system so I get hear things from a teachers perspective often.
 
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AndyMarquisLIVE

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MSNBC said:
The gunman who took six girls hostage in a high school classroom, killing one, had sexually assaulted at least some of them, the sheriff said Thursday.

"He did traumatize and assault our children," Park County Sheriff Fred Wegener said. "I'll only say that it's sexual in nature."

Wegener identified the suspect as Duane R. Morrison, 53, of the Denver area. He said investigators had not established any previous connection between him and the hostages.
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This just gets worse and worse. Sounds to me like he had an awful lot of time :whistle:

Next time we should rush them in there and get a sniper to put a bullet in his head. Too bad it was his own bullet that killed him.
 
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