AOC - What Is The Berlin Wall

[GURPS]

During an Instagram live video on Friday, the freshman congresswoman said that she thought the wall was a "moral abomination. I think it's like the Berlin Wall."

That Ocasio-Cortez thinks the border wall is "like the Berlin Wall" suggests she knows very little about history and concepts of border security. Former senior official at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Matt Mayer explains why comparisons between Trump's wall and the Berlin Wall are nonsensical and insulting for those oppressed in East Germany:

The goal of the Berlin Wall: stop East Germans from escaping to West Germany, as roughly three million did from the end of World War II until the wall was built. It divided Berlin for twenty-eight years. In many ways, the Berlin Wall served as a prison wall for East Germans. At least 139 people died at the Berlin Wall. It is hard to believe it has been gone for nearly as long as it was up.

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Democratic socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) suggested late last week that she does not understand the difference between the Berlin Wall and President Donald Trump’s proposed border wall. During an Instagram live video on Friday, the freshman congresswoman said that she thought the...

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[vraiblonde]

Add "World History" to the list of subjects AOC didn't learn in any of her schools.

 

[Toxick]

That Ocasio-Cortez thinks the border wall is "like the Berlin Wall" suggests she knows very little about history and concepts of border security.

The Border wall is exactly like the Berlin Wall...

In the same way my front door is exactly like the door to a prison cell.





I mean, like, you know - they both have locks and stuff on 'em, right?

 

[SamSpade]

The Border wall is exactly like the Berlin Wall...

In the same way my front door is exactly like the door to a prison cell.





I mean, like, you know - they both have locks and stuff on 'em, right?

I guess they'd be similar IF the Mexican government had armed guards there to SHOOT anyone trying to cross.

 

[GURPS]

Er … suuuuure it is. The only way anyone could assert this with a straight face, let alone with the smug dismissal Ocasio-Cortez displays here, is to be entirely ignorant of the post-war history of Berlin, Germany, and the deep desire to flee the communist system in both. A quick search on “Berlin Wall history” for the woefully uneducated would land on this entry in Encylopaedia Britannica:

In the years between 1949 and 1961, about 2.5 million East Germans had fled from East to West Germany, including steadily rising numbers of skilled workers, professionals, and intellectuals. Their loss threatened to destroy the economic viability of the East German state. In response, East Germany built a barrier to close off East Germans’ access to West Berlin and hence West Germany. That barrier, the Berlin Wall, was first erected on the night of August 12–13, 1961, as the result of a decree passed on August 12 by the East German Volkskammer (“Peoples’ Chamber”).

Ocasio-Cortez: Trump's "moral abomination" of a border wall is just like the Berlin Wall, or something

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[Hijinx]

Mexican wall or Berlin wall there is one thing that cannot be argued.
The wall worked pretty damn well to stop people from crossing.

Build the Wall.

 

[Midnightrider]

Mexican wall or Berlin wall there is one thing that cannot be argued.
The wall worked pretty damn well to stop people from crossing.

Build the Wall.

Millions of Germans escaped dispite the wall

 

[SamSpade]

Millions of Germans escaped dispite the wall

Yes - but not by going over the wall.
About 3 million made it - over a period of forty years - but once the wall went up,
fleeing to the West by going to West Berlin mostly ENDED.
Being SHOT at will do that.

 

[Grumpy]

Millions??

While some did make it safely across, it is unclear how many people exactly reached the western part. Some estimates claim that 5,000 East Germans reached West Berlin via the Wall. Men, women and children snuck through checkpoints, hid in vehicles and tunneled under the concrete.

 

[PrchJrkr]

Millions of Germans escaped dispite the wall

And millions were thwarted. Just sayin'...

 

[Gilligan]

Millions??

While some did make it safely across, it is unclear how many people exactly reached the western part. Some estimates claim that 5,000 East Germans reached West Berlin via the Wall. Men, women and children snuck through checkpoints, hid in vehicles and tunneled under the concrete.

The dark boy is never encumbered by facts.

 

[Midnightrider]

Yes - but not by going over the wall.
About 3 million made it - over a period of forty years - but once the wall went up,
fleeing to the West by going to West Berlin mostly ENDED.
Being SHOT at will do that.

Except for the tunnels and the smuggling you mean.....

I have news for you, no one is going to be shot for crossing our southern border

 

[Hijinx]

So far more people have been shot doing their job on the Southern Border.
It's a damned shame that Border Patrol Agents are killed by these invaders and the rules don't let them shoot.

 

[SamSpade]

Except for the tunnels and the smuggling you mean.....

I have news for you, no one is going to be shot for crossing our southern border

Well, certainly not by MEXICO, who would be the corresponding government in this comparison.
And the reason was, they did NOT want people to leave.

And the smuggling and tunnels made up only a fraction of the total who left East Germany.
Estimates for being smuggled into West Berlin are about 5000 total over the life of its existence.
Some left by other countries, some got permits, some escaped over land. Since crossing into
the West via the wall was so dangerous, fewer than 1% of the total went that route.

The wall cut it down from tens of thousands per year PRIOR to going up to a few hundred
per year afterward.

 

[This_person]

Well, certainly not by MEXICO, who would be the corresponding government in this comparison.
And the reason was, they did NOT want people to leave.

And the smuggling and tunnels made up only a fraction of the total who left East Germany.
Estimates for being smuggled into West Berlin are about 5000 total over the life of its existence.
Some left by other countries, some got permits, some escaped over land. Since crossing into
the West via the wall was so dangerous, fewer than 1% of the total went that route.

The wall cut it down from tens of thousands per year PRIOR to going up to a few hundred
per year afterward.

He's trying to make the point that a wall is not 100% effective - even against things the wall was never intended to stop - so therefore it's not a good idea.

Or, put in simpler words, he's trying to demonstrate his ignorance.

 

[SamSpade]

He's trying to make the point that a wall is not 100% effective - even against things the wall was never intended to stop - so therefore it's not a good idea.

Or, put in simpler words, he's trying to demonstrate his ignorance.

Neither the President nor anyone else is trying to claim that a wall is impenetrable and can't be defeated - but a good one will reduce
the crossings substantially and slow the advance enough that crossings can be interdicted. Prior to the building of the Berlin Wall, millions
crossed into West Berlin - afterward, 5000 or so over the next 28 years, and several dozen were killed.

Despite all the bellyaching I heard from protesters this weekend, a wall significantly slows people down the way that "smart walls" - stuff like
aerial surveillance and drones - can't. A drone can only alert authorities. It has no ability to slow down a crowd. And a drone must be operated and maintained - and a wall can stand for years, and doesn't disappear during the next round of budget cuts.

 

[CPUSA]

I have news for you, no one is going to be shot for crossing our Western border

Hah!!...That's what Stalin said!!

 

[This_person]

Neither the President nor anyone else is trying to claim that a wall is impenetrable and can't be defeated...

But, that's not the strawman they can defeat. By creating a strawman they can defeat, they believe they can defeat the problem. The problem is that the president is trying to do exactly what you suggested, and they can't stand that.