Apple to 'ban iPhone gig filming'

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ok not buying an iPhone now .......... 1st concerts then ...... where might the Gobberment not want you recording ...... maybe around cops .... congressmen ........ the president


this is EVIL ........ fork the record companies I am more worried about freedom to keep track of your Government ans share the news





Apple to 'ban iPhone gig filming'

IPHONE users may soon be stopped from filming at concerts — as a result of new Apple technology.

The leading computer company plans to build a system that will sense when people are trying to video live events — and turn off their cameras.

A patent application filed by Apple revealed how the technology would work.

If an iPhone were held up and used to film during a concert infra-red sensors would detect it.

These sensors would then contact the iPhone and automatically disable its camera function.

People would still be able to send text messages and make calls.

The new technology is seen as an attempt to protect the interests of event organisers and broadcasters who have exclusive rights to concerts.

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So what happens when you're trying to video your kid's choir performance?

I think its saying the concert providers have the infra red sensors that will detect the phone and disable it. Not that it automatically knows its at a concert by the sound.
 
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yeah I read the article



I see the Gobberment (infrared sensors in meeting places built in to the podium) and Police ( on police cars ... hell right in the uniform) picking up on this once it is roll out


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I think the anti-filming technology will be embedded in the iPhone.

The concert people will broadcast an infrared signal at a specific frequency on the stage. An iPhone app will notice that specific frequency when the camera is pointed at the stage. The app will phone home to Apple for verification and Apple will send a 'disable camera' instruction back.

Someone will come up with a filter to place over the camera lens which filters that specific frequency.

Homeland Security will call the people selling the filter terrorists and ask Congress for more money.

Then someone will hack the embedded anti-filming app. Congress will provide more money to DHS's anti-cyber terrorism division and brag about it to the media. DHS will pay Apple to develop an anti-hack app. The hackers will hack the anti-hack app.

It's a losing battle that will go on forever because the media gives Congress congratulatory PR and DHS gets more money.

Just like the war on drugs.
 
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I think its saying the concert providers have the infra red sensors that will detect the phone and disable it. Not that it automatically knows its at a concert by the sound.

And anyone else that wants to buy a system to ensure you can't video record them or their actions.
 
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This is just Apple. Apple isn't the only video recording device out there. People will just switch to a vendor that doesn't have this technology.

You guys talk like an iPhone is the only piece of hardware out there.
 
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This is just Apple. Apple isn't the only video recording device out there. People will just switch to a vendor that doesn't have this technology.

You guys talk like an iPhone is the only piece of hardware out there.



I expect RIAA and MPAA wanting this Tech everywhere ........ Not to mention the FED


sure Apple may hold the Patent (if awarded) ... :whistle:
 
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:buttkick: :cussing: :bonk: :shocking: :shocked: :tantrum


ok not buying an iPhone now .......... 1st concerts then ...... where might the Gobberment not want you recording ...... maybe around cops .... congressmen ........ the president


this is EVIL ........ fork the record companies I am more worried about freedom to keep track of your Government ans share the news

The best I can tell, this is just rank speculation based on someone reading a recently published patent application (they are generally published 18 months after they are filed, prior to then they are generally confidential). I wouldn't put any stock in it unless and until there is some reason to think Apple actually intends to develop this technology and use it in this specific way.

Companies like Apple file countless patent applications (i.e. they are designated as the assignees on them). Many of those don't relate to an actual intended use and won't end up being reflected in actual products or services. They are just trying to lock up ideas and possibilities, even while not knowing how those ideas might be used in the future, how they might be combined with other ideas, who else might end up trying to use them (and thus then be infringing), or if the ideas will ever have any real world use at all. Companies do this trying to carve out more and more intellectual property ownership for themselves - so that they can do things in the future, so that they can prevent competitors from doing things in the future, and so that competitors can't prevent them from doing things in the future. Patent applications are relatively inexpensive to draft, file and execute, so it is little bother for Apple and other companies to file hundreds of applications a year.

This is the only patent application I could find that might be the one this speculation is referring to and based on. The claims relate to, among other things, a camera being able to detect an infrared signal with encoded data in it, being able to decode that data, being able to to do things in response to that data (e.g. place a watermark on on image or disable some camera functionality), and being able to rout collected images to a display and/or recording mechanism. That's a neat little concept to be able to lock up, though not a particularly un-obvious one in my opinion. It may prove to be valuable IP or it may turn out to be rather worthless. Could it be used in the way suggested? Sure, but it could be used for other things as well or it could not be meaningfully used at all. As is the case with many patents, it could just be used to prevent others from doing something (or force them to pay Apple should they need or want to do something).

When reading a patent or patent application, one shouldn't assume that particular described embodiments are intended uses. That's not necessarily how it works. The descriptions are often just trying to cover as much future possibility as they can in order to give more breadth to the potential (interpreted) meaning of the claims. They are trying to make the 'invention' effectively as comprehensive - to make it represent as large a plat of land, if you will - as they can. You never know what corner of that plat of land is going to turn out to be valuable, and you don't want to find yourself arguing after the fact to the effect that 'oh yeah, that's part of what I meant by the claim / invention'.

That said, is it possible that Apple would develop something like this and in return get concessions, from record labels / performance artists, that make their devices more functional for consumers and work in ways that other devices can't? Absolutely. They are clearly out in front of other companies in being able to secure digital rights from music labels that will make their devices more functional, and there obviously has to be some give back / trade off for them getting those rights.



EDIT: Fixed link which originally lead to the wrong patent application.
 
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Apple fun police to block event photography

The company is developing software that is capable of sensing when someone is trying to record a live event and then switching off the device's camera. It does this by triggering infrared sensors installed at venues.

Many events stipulate that there be no photography but these rules have been impossible to enforce now that every smartphone is equipped with a camera. Others to experience this issue include movie theatres and museums.

Apple's technology could solve this issue but pundits have already speculated that the technology could be hacked to allow miscreants to prevent iPhone users from using their cameras.

Some reports have suggested that Apple's motivation for developing the system was to placate broadcasters who are upset that people are posting their own footage of events on YouTube despite the broadcasters having bought the exclusive rights to film the events.

But it's not just an Orwellian tool - CNET.com reported that it could be used to the benefit of museum visitors.
 
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here we go ....




Apple working on a Sophisticated Infrared System for iOS Cameras


On June 2, 2011, the US Patent & Trademark Office published a patent application from Apple that revealed various concepts behind a newly advanced next generation camera system that could employ infrared technology. On one side, the new system would go a long way in assisting the music and movie industries by automatically disabling camera functions when trying to photograph or film a movie or concert. On the other hand, the new system could turn your iOS device into a kind of automated tour guide for museums or cityscapes as well as eventually being an auto retail clerk providing customers with price, availability and product information. The technology behind Apple's patent application holds a lot of potential.
 
here we go ....

We're still talking about speculation that someone might do something based solely on reading a recently published patent application. An idea, or concept, or even a specific embodiment, being included in a patent application in no way means that the applier (or assignee as the case may be) actually intends to use that idea or concept in a particular way or even develop it as the specific embodiment described.

Apple applies for hundreds of patents each year. Some companies apply for thousands each year. When someone working for a company comes up with an idea or concept - sometimes just a new configuration of existing technology or, speaking practically, a new potential use of existing technology - the company runs to file a patent application. They try to lock up as many different ideas, concepts, and technological configurations as they can - just in case and so that they own that piece of real estate and their competitors don't. That's how it works. It's so cheap for them to file countless patent applications, that there's little reason not to try to patent every single thing someone conjures up in their mind at 2:46 in the morning when they can't sleep. That dynamic is one of the reasons patents take so long to be granted now.

In theory, there's an obviousness standard involved in what can or can't be patented; but in practice, I don't think that standard provides much of a bar (meaning, even if a 'new' idea is fairly obvious to the point that others would think of it at some point - or already have and just hadn't made an application first - one might still be able to get a patent on their 'invention'). Also, you don't have to create a working model, or actually develop an invention to any significant degree to prove it will work, in order to get a patent - usually the idea, sufficiently articulated, is enough. You just have to be able to describe it such that people with industry know-how would be able to build it. With something like this, it would be fairly easy to build it - the impetus to do so is the bigger piece of the puzzle.

This application was filed 18 months ago. Generally, the USPTO publishes applications 18 months after they are filed (that's not strictly true though). Because there is so much curiosity about what tech firms are doing (from, e.g., investors or competitors), there are people that comb over newly published patent applications to see what they can glean or what ideas they might get themselves. However, finding an implementation described in a patent application doesn't necessarily mean it is one that will eventually see the light of day or even one that is being worked on by the applier or assignee. I helped write a patent application and can say that it contains a described embodiment that will almost certainly never be developed to any meaningful extent.

Could Apple have this technological configuration in the pipeline and be planning to roll it out in iPhone 7? Sure. But, such a configuration being described in one of its thousands of patents/patent applications doesn't mean that it does or is. I suspect I could find a lot of described embodiments in Apple, or Microsoft, or IBM, or GE patents, that have never materialized as or in real products or processes.
 
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We're still talking about speculation that someone might do something based solely on reading a recently published patent application. An idea, or concept, or even a specific embodiment .....

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You Trust the Gobberment ..... Don't You !!!



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No, not in general. I just understand a little bit about how patents work and how large companies operate with regard to them. You can't read too much into them when it comes to being sure of what a company's intentions are.

The actual claims made in the patent application in question could be quite valuable if Apple can get them granted as is - not because they would allow Apple to implement the embodiment we've been discussing (i.e. disabling camera functionality, under certain conditions, to protect music industry interests), but because they might lock up a lot of other potential functionality for Apple and its devices (i.e. prevent Apple's competitors from incorporating it in their own devices without Apple's permission). That's how it works between industry competitors.

It is the claims made in a patent that are of the most importance. They are kind of like the legal description of a plot of land that one might find in a deed. They specify exactly what the patent grantee or assignee owns. The described embodiments can be somewhat important as well, but only in helping to understand the meaning of the claims to the extent that that meaning is in question. In other words, what someone owns (i.e. the patent claims) is what is important, not what they've theorized they might do with it (i.e. the described embodiments). The latter only matters to the extent it helps us understand what it is that someone actually owns.
 
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