This_person
Well-Known Member
I don't justify it with the Bible, I justify being against abortion because it's murder.
How is the Peterson thing different? Unborn child intentionally deprived of life, charged as murder. Why is abortion different?
Archbishop Wuerl addresses Pelosi on abortion
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How is the Peterson thing different? Unborn child intentionally deprived of life, charged as murder. Why is abortion different?
This_person
Well-Known Member
One note Charlie pipes in!
There is; Exodus 20:14. But there is this New Testament that presents the way of Salvation as a gift from God, not as earned by following rules and doing sacrifices. Christians strive to follow the commandments because we love God not because we can earn our way into His kingdom.
There is a whole series of sacrifices that are set up under Judaism for atonement of sins. The whole system was pointing to the final sacrifice ever needed, Jesus on the cross. Because of God providing His own Son as the sacrifice for our sins, only agreement and acceptance is needed for salvation. We live under God's grace. We are forgiven as we forgive.
So while there is a law against adultery, Christians do not believe in stoning an adulterer. We believe in forgiveness. We do not commit adultery because we love God and seek to do His will because He loves us.
It is not hypocrisy. It is love.
Apologize for correcting your assertion that the RCC seeks to control people? I think not.
oops, I will apologize, sort of
Okay 2A, I just re-read and may have had you confused with IT. I still maintain that your comment about the RCC heirarchy not wanting to offend a high powered individual completely lacked charity. You have no idea the motives of any person at any time in history, so you should refrain from judgement of motives. You can judge/comment on objective actions and you'll get no arguement from me.
However, it was IT that I was responding to when I said that his hatred of anything Catholic keeps him from making any fair assessments of anything! And I will not apologize to him.
Okay 2A, I just re-read and may have had you confused with IT. I still maintain that your comment about the RCC heirarchy not wanting to offend a high powered individual completely lacked charity. You have no idea the motives of any person at any time in history, so you should refrain from judgement of motives. You can judge/comment on objective actions and you'll get no arguement from me.
However, it was IT that I was responding to when I said that his hatred of anything Catholic keeps him from making any fair assessments of anything! And I will not apologize to him.
You may have been responding to IT, but it was clear you were speaking of me.
And if you read my statement about the RCC hierarchy, it was not a statement of fact but a statement of possibility.libby said:
GSXR_MOE
Adding Diversity to SOMD
So you should be able to forgive those who CHOSE to have an abortion.... Stop being so judgmental.
YOu should love them...
GSXR_MOE
Adding Diversity to SOMD
ummm.. The supreme court said there is a difference... Were back to the Roe Vs. Wade thing again...
I do love them. God will forgive them if asked by them. I am not being judgmental. I do believe it is a sin to murder. I do believe that life begins at conception; Bible says so and I make no secret that I believe the Bible. The ending of an innocent life is murder in my opinion. An unborn baby cannot be more innocent.
Where have I ever said I hate people that have had an abortion? Hmm? Show me.
You should stop being judgmental about me.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
First, I don't expect anyone who remains in the RCC to be able to see their church's flaws. This is why they stay. Your popes have tried many times, unsuccessfully, to buy into the political system to exercise their power, control & agenda. Sorry you missed them.
Second, as 2A said, I harbor NO HATRED for anyone. I harbor a passionate concern for your soul and the souls of my biggest detractors here: (The Nucklesacks, Xaquins, TJ, WXtornado, mAlice, etc), but, of course, you can't see that either. You often say that "my hatred for anything Catholic keeps me from making fair assessments..." when, actually, it's my hatred for false teachings and doctrines (the same hatred that Jesus had) that DOES allow me to make fair assessments of them. But, I've said it before so no need to waste more memory space on here.
Finally, about Rome, you need to take serious note about it. Revelation speaks about it in chapter 13, it's even referred to as Babylon the great at times and as the city on 7 hills in chapter 17. Maybe it is a passing reference and it definitely does NOT apply to the entire RCC but the underlying reason is something not to be ignored.
I would never ask anyone to apologize to me so don't think you need to but facts are facts. You need to read some unbiased, non catholic literature to see what your predecessors have done. You'd never find it in any catholic documents. Remember, I came from 12 years of catholic schools and an Italian family of bead mumblers so I know it's motives and teachings very well.
In all fairness to the RCC, just because Nazi Pelosi claimed to be catholic doesn't mean she's one since I DO know where the RCC stands on abortion.
GSXR_MOE
Adding Diversity to SOMD
You guys are funny....
Where did I say that you hated them??? I didn't say that, did I???
Xaquin44
New Member
libby is one of the nicest people on these boards ....
'Have a nice life' coupled with your avatar has to be one of the biggest hypocrisies on these boards.
I'm sure jesus would be proud of how big an ####### you are.
You come in here insulting her and then throw a hissy fit when she doesn't apologize to you even though you're wrong.
/golfclap
You said I should forgive and love them implying that I do not. The opposite of love is hate. So your statement that I hated them was implied by you stating that I should love them indicating that you think I did not love them.
Of course I see where this is going. Discourse with you will be like trying to eat Jello with one chop stick.
Bye.
Xaquin44
New Member
you're .... you're insane ....
just because he said you don't love them doesn't mean he thinks you hate them ....
I don't love anyone in asia simply based on the fact that I don't know anyone in asia .... does that mean I hate them?
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
This is where so many people are misled by evil. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE SAY OR THINK! God's Word is the final judge, like it or not! This is the platform that I and a few others here stand on and it will NOT ever fall. If God said abortion, gay marriage, etc., was OK, I'd buy fully into them but He didn't so I don't. Our Founding fathers DID write laws based on "religion" but the libs keep trying to change it. What part of "...endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights..." is hard to understand? Read 2A's thread about "What our founding fathers said".You’re absolutely correct, I am Pro CHOICE. If feel people should be allowed to chose what they want to do in regard to Abortions. If your religion dictates that you cannot, that is up to you and your God. I don't think we should write our laws based on Religion.
So are actually staying that anyone who supports Pelosi cannot be a Christian??You my friend are really crazy.
Can you please explain your whole State and Church, Church and State thing.... because I don't follow ya...
If you think our moral laws should be governed by that Bible, do you think people should go to jail for cheating on their spouse??
I mean that no Christian (true one) with God guiding their hearts, minds & lives, can rightly vote for or endorse Pelosi, Clinton, Obama, etc., because of their pro murder, gay marriage stance. I would NOT want to endorse them and then later face the wrath of God for it because I would essentially be part of the destruction of morality that they would and are causing.
What I meant by "there is no separation of church & state but a separation of state & church" is this: The 1st Amendment says: "Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.... and the Bible says that the government was formed and upheld by God, and His people shall continue to support, influence and control it. (Isaiah 9v 6&7 and Romans 13v 1-7). God has given His followers special insight that non believers DO NOT have. We are responsible for using our God given abilities to rightly influence our failing government. So, although the government cannot establish or prevent a religion, Christians can and must establish & continue a moral government.
I don't think people should go to jail for cheating on their spouse but how would we police that since it is so prevalent? 2A said earlier how muslims deal with cheaters but God will punish them much worse and he won't get anyone's name wrong when He does.
Thank you, X,
Both you and I know that we don't agree on assorted doctrines/truths, or whatever. However, (so far
)we've been able to have reasonable discourses without insult or threats of damnation. How is that?I will speak of IT specifically, because he's far more active on the boards, but how is it that the real, Bible Christian condemns both of us for our beliefs, and we believe nearly opposite things? You're damned for not believing in Jesus Christ, and I am damned for believing in Him too much? (Real Presence in the Eucharist, for instance)
Unless we accept IT's interpretation of Scripture infallibly, we are following false prophets, etc.
It's impossible!!
libby,
I sincerely mean that I wish you a nice life. I look forward to you being in God's kingdom singing His praises beside me despite our differences. I just think that you and I will not see eye to eye and are best just going our separate ways as Paul and Barnabas did.
I sincerely mean that I wish you a nice life. I look forward to you being in God's kingdom singing His praises beside me despite our differences. I just think that you and I will not see eye to eye and are best just going our separate ways as Paul and Barnabas did.
Xaquin44
New Member
yeah right.
If I ever went into a church with a legitimate discussion and the priest said 'Bye, have a nice life' any one of us would be insulted.
that's like the christian equivilent of #### off.