seekeroftruth
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1 Timothy 2:1 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.
8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Sorry for the yelling. Just wanted you to hear what he is saying!This is from the commentary.
Who desires all men to be saved: Prayer for those in authority should always have an evangelical purpose. Our real goal is that they would come under the authority of Jesus, and make decisions allowing the gospel to have free course and be glorified.
Many people think that God would be unfair or narrow minded to have only one way to salvation; but the thought needs to be turned over. To say that God is unfair for this, one would have to look at Jesus dying on the cross — the spotless Son of God, came from heaven and lived humbly and died in horrific agony, both physical and spiritual — to look at Jesus on the cross and say, “Thanks God; I appreciate the gesture, but that isn’t enough. You’re going to have to do a little more than that, because that is only one way and if You are fair You will make several ways.”
That the men: Makes it clear Paul assumed men would take the lead at meetings of the congregation. Since the lifting up of hands was a common posture of prayer in ancient cultures, this text speaks of men leading public prayer — men representing the congregation before God’s throne.
White translates the idea of the text: “The ministers of public prayer must be the men of the congregation, not the women.”
That the women adorn themselves in modest apparel: This is how Christian women are supposed to dress, especially at their Christian meetings. The words propriety and moderation help explain what modest apparel is.
Let a woman learn in silence: This unfortunate translation has led some to believe that it is forbidden for women to even speak in church meetings. Paul uses the same word translated silence in 1 Timothy 2:2, and it is translated peaceable there. The idea is without contention instead of total silence.
With all submission: The word for submission here literally means, “To be under in rank.” It has to do with respecting an acknowledged order of authority. It certainly does not mean that men are more spiritual than women or that women are inferior to men.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man: Paul’s meaning seems clear. Women are not to have the role of teaching authority in the church. To be under authority is the principle; not teaching is the application.
Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing: Many people regard this as one of the most difficult passages in the whole Bible. On the surface, it could be taken to mean that if a woman continues in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control, that God will bless her with survival in childbirth — which was no small promise in the ancient world.
Has anyone watched the newest season of "Fargo"? The commentary falls all over itself to be correct for Paul. Let's face it folks... Paul blames all the problems of the world on Eve. He says, verse 14, "Adam was not the one deceived". According to Paul... Adam didn't eat the apple.... ah ha ha. Isn't that a hoot!
Women should be saved "in" childbearing. Women... stay silent, barefoot, and pregnant and you'll be just fine. That's what Paul says and that's why it's got to be one of the most difficult passages in the whole Bible.
Women were indeed no better than cattle... to be fair. It was the times they lived in. Now women control the budgets in most households. It's the women who drag the hubby and family to church, in most cases these days.
REMEMBER... Paul thought Jesus was coming back any day [or night]. Men were honing their fighting skills. Women were to shut up and stay out of the way. Preachers should teach that instead of avoiding the historical truth. Women were no better than cattle in those days... they were owned... they were sold... they were used and divorced. Women were a commodity in the days of Paul. It's not Paul's fault the world was chauvinistic.
Some women, in Paul's day, stood out. Some women ran the church. Paul won't comment on the fact Timothy's mother taught Timothy the value of Christian Living. Timothy's mother was a Christian... Timothy's father was not. Women taught in the church... because they had to... sometimes when the men can't do something... the women get it done.
Are women only good for childbearing?
